The role of a sixth man is to provide: instant scoring, energy and some leadership. Scola would be an ideal candidate because of his energy, hustle and basketball IQ. BUT he has some shortcomings that would eventually be exposed...so if he stays in the line up next to Yao his flaws aren't so obvious. Artest can come off the bench and dominate their bench with ease, and if they decide to throw their best defender at him...then he'll wear him down and have him "nice and ready" for T-Mac to finish him off. Plus...if they keep Artest on the bench he'll get all the touches he wants and much more freedom. Nobody should underestimate that man...he HAS that killer instinct we've been lacking...and having him on the bench to start the season would be in our best interest.
No，I think K.Landry should give us more energy coming from the bench,although i admite Scola is a better player than Landry.
This is a subject that requieres alot of thought. And the subject im talking about is whether battier or artest should be the sixth man. Bc i have no doubts that Scola should start next to Yao. The thing about it is that Artest is a better player that battier so would you want to start him or let him be the sixthman. With Artest on the starting lineup we have a better line up, but are the Rockets better with that strong line up, or are they better with not having a strong a starting line up but having a monster come off the bench. This is a tough one. But let me make it clear Scola will and should be a starter
We should take a different approach here. He should just think "oh he should start and he should come off the bench" we should adopt the system that Detroit has. We have enough skilled players to switch out our enitire lineup and our backups will be able to hold their own. Also with this kind of rotation, T-mac and Yao will be less injury prone. For the back up line ups: Chuck, Landry, Dorsey, and Deke can all share the 4 and 5 brooks, head, barry, and francis could share the 1 and 2
who will be the start?artest?hayes?i dont think artest can be better than scola in pf position.hayes?
I don't know why people can't understand that. If you were to take the top 2/3 position players in the league, Artest is top 10. Battier isn't even close. Scola is a starter, so is Artest. All this Artest or Battier tp the bench is crazy. Battier is a posey type on a good team. There isn't a rule book anywhere that says the 6th man has to be offensive. The 6th man can just be a guy to change tempo and flow of the game. The guy can be offensive of defensive. Mitch Wiggins was a stopper type who would come in and combo 2/3 spots. Posey is going to be the game changer in N.O. Mike James was the pressure, high energy guy in detroit. The guy doesn't have to be instant offense.
Agree. Also, I don't understand why Artest off the bench would mean anything. When was the last time you've seen Adalmen take all 5 starters out of the game? He's obviously gonna rotate and there will be a time in the game where Artest is the best option on the floor.
That's asking TMac to do too much. Being Floor Leader AND number 1/2 option for scoring? That's not even counting the defense he has to play on the other end of the floor. With the addition of Artest, Alston can be situated as the 1 perfectly. All Alston needs to do is penetrate and toss it out to Mac/Artest/Bat, or turn it inside to Yao, and wait for Yao to do something with it.
Hayes won't even come CLOSE to starting. Even Artest is a better choice than Chuck. Sorry to all the Hayes lovers...he is a great defender, but I wouldn't count on him in the starting job, unless Scola/Artest get injured.
I know what ur saying, but I would rather have Artest in the starting lineup and the rox crush people early and rest the starters early. The same starting 5 as last year is ok, but not nearly as good with ron starting and setting the tone. People always want to bring up manu, but I think the reason why pop brings manu off the bench is because he plays reckless and he tends to get banged up. So pop wants to maximize his effort in short burst against 2nd teamers. Artest isn't that guy. He's a guy that can punish guys early,middle and late without the injury concern. There are enough balls on the this team because tracy is willing passer and yao tries to pass. Great players have no problems playing with other great players. Amare took off wen he got shaq along side although nash didn't adapt as well. In Dallas, they tried to change the indentity of the whole team at midseason and basically turned kidd into a spot up shooter. They'll be ok, battier just needs to take his spot where he belongs.
no way in hell luis comes off the bench Sole reason the rox won so many games. Battier will be the 6th man, book it
dunno why who'll "start" 'tween Battier & Artest is such a big issue. imo we should start the players from last year at the beginning of the season and let production/effectiveness determine the minutes (the mins. being more important than a starter label anyway). either way i'll be cool be with whatever Adelman decides. if coach decides that Ron is the better option great.
If you look at the sixth man of the year awards for the last 6 years,2003: Jackson | 2004: Jamison | 2005: Gordon | 2006: Miller | 2007: Barbosa | 2008: Ginóbili, you'll see that they're all offensive players. That's why I feel that Artest would be the ideal sixth man for our team. It's hard to have an impact on the second team playing defense. This way we can avoid that lull in the game when Tracy goes out. Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:NBA_Sixth_Man_of_the_Year_Award_Winners"
Houston's trying to win games not regular season awards. Ron Artest is the 3rd best player in houston...just like Antawn Jamison in Wash, Lamar Odom in LA, Ray Allen in Boston, Peja in NO, Sheed in Detroit ect.... Just cause Ginobili comes off the bench in SA...doesn't mean every 3rd scorer has to come off the bench. On Paper Bostons bench wasn't much; yet Garnett/Pierce/Allen played their lowest minutes in years.....why? Cause their starters would beat the brakes off of teams so them not having a potent scorer off the bench didn't matter. They had an "energy" bench. All they had to do was keep the defensive intensity up and have Posey & House knock down 3's. The Spurs are a unique team. They're old as dirt and prior to last season they envisioned Manu as the their starting SG with Finely as his backup.... but Finely played so poorly that they had to put him in the starting lineup so he's on the floor with Duncan more. More than anything, this is why Manu is their 6th man... Barring injury Yao/Scola/Artest/McGady/Alston will be Houston's starting 5 to start the season. At least see whether or not the bench sucks before you make changes to prevent the bench from sucking.
I strongly advocate Shane coming off the bench but also the lineup of: PG TMac SG Artest SF Shane PF Scola C Yao and Sometimes if people try to play small ball (Everyone nearly the same size, switch everything. Smothering Defensive lineup.): PG TMac/Barry SG Barry/TMac SF Shane PF Artest C Scola And I think Our starters should be the same as last year with the exception of Shane out and Artest in (And Shane is my favorite Rocket so Im no Shane hater) And if we wanna run: PG Raefer SG SF3 (If healthy, if not insert TMac here) SF TMac (If no SF3, Insert Shane here) PF Artest C Landry
How about this as for your sixth man situation: Houston Trades: - Rafer Alston - Luther Head Phoenix Trades: - Leandro Barbosa Phoenix is still looking for a backup to Steve Nash and they still have not signed the Euro player who they have been high on to fill the spot. This solidifies their backup point guard position and gives them a poor mans version of Leandro Barbosa. Also, as we know Phoenix has been dangling Barbosa as trade bait so maybe there is a chance of this. Houston now appears to have a hole at Point Guard but in actuality they don't IMHO. Steve Francis came into the season obviously out of shape and playing on a bum leg which had been crying for attention for some time. He has since had his leg operated on and well enough to lose probably 30 pounds as of the recent photos shown of him in the Steve Francis update thread. As far as I am concerned, iIf he could do that over the back dunk last year, fat and on a bad knee, he ought to be at least what we expected him to be when he came back last year. Barry and Brooks can split time at the point behind him. A fat and injured Francis did stuff we have never seen Alston do! So the point of this was to find "THE" sixth man. Barbosa former sixth man of the year and a player who is only getting better would be the final piece to our championship run. With Scola and Landry being even better this year and the additions of Artest, Barry and Dorsey, we would be able to cover every match up the league would offer. In addition, just like in the Olympics our bench would not be that far of a drop off in talent as our starters, atleast at the 2, 3 and 4 position. POSITION________STARTERS___________BENCH____________3RD STRING P.G.------------STEVE FRANCIS-------BRENT BARRY--------AARON BROOKS S.G.-----------TRACY MCGRADY-----LEANDRO BARBOSA S.F.-------------RON ARTEST--------SHANE BATTIER-------MIKE HARRIS P.F.-------------LUIS SCOLA----------CARL LANDRY--------CHUCK HAYES ..C.--------------YAO MING---------DIKEMBE MUTOMBO----JOEY DORSEY
I love this trade. Put AB and Speedy together and you have the faster backcourt in the history of basketball.
First, no matter how enticing this trade for you, Suns GM will just slam the phone shut. Why not Landry for Amare while you are at it. 2nd, I understand if you want to play barbosa at the 2, but barry at the 1? You got to be joking. back on the topic, why would you want to start artest off the bench? Yeah i understand he provide instant offense, but if he comes in for battier/any one else, he still be playing with Tmac and yao. If he comes in for tmac, yao will still be the focal point. Same goes if Rick decide to play small ball, and sub yao for artest. Tmac will still be the main man. i rather artest starts, get a good lead of the game, then Rick can rotate as he likes.
I like your ideas about rotating Artest in different ways not that it hasn't been said before. As far as the trade with Barbosa, Phoenix's main concern has been to find someone who is a legitimate back up to Nash. They have made it clear that Barbosa cannot do that as he is not a point guard. I actually think that the Rockets would have a hard time pulling this trade because of the value of Rafer to this team and not necessarily replacing him with a point guard. Barbosa is another undersized two, much like Francis. However, I think that under Adelman's system you don't necessarily need a traditional point guard which is why Francis, Barbosa, Barry, etc. are not a problem to have at the 1. The system relies on ball movement and cuts. All players must be able to pass the ball. This is not the half court grind it out style that Van Gundy coached. This is why I am not concerned about Barry being the main backup or losing a true point guard for an undersized shooting guard. If it were the case of the deal not being sweet enough the best the Rockets could do would probably be to throw in the 2nd round pick we received during the draft. Otherwise it would probably not work according to the CBA.
Obviously there is not enough room for both Battier and Artest on this team. Both are valuable players that should be playing 30+ minutes a night. If Artest plays to his standard, i'll bet anything we trade Battier for a veteran PG.
