I don't understand where all the fuss comes from. It IS part of the game. Please be noted that Rockets doesn't have a super guard who can get every call with minimum contact so we actually are on the bad side of officiating. If we get the win by abusing the system, so be it.
1. Because it's cheating 2. It wasn't a part of the game 10 years ago and is only getting worse. I don't want the rockets to have any part of it.
1. It actually isn't cheating. Does it actually say in the rulebook that you can't flop? 2. This is true. To me, the NBA used to not call charges that much, so players didn't have the incentive to flop. Now that charges get called half the time someone drives to the hoop, players want to flop. Here's an interesting list of floppers from Wikipedia: Danny Ainge Raja Bell Derek Fisher, of whom Divac said, "I think he does a better job of that [flopping] than I do." Steve Nash Dirk Nowitzki Manu Ginóbili Robert Horry Andrei Kirilenko[2] Bill Laimbeer Reggie Miller Dennis Rodman John Stockton Anderson Varejão Tony Parker Buddy Roll Shane Battier Luis Scola
what you gonna to do? go back 10 years ago of pre-ipod era? no matter how good ol' time it was, it's a kind of cry over spilled milk to me
You can call a technical for any "unsportsmanlike conduct" - which flopping qualifies for as it is an act of deceit, which is illegal under NBA rules: Also here is a passage from the NBA refereeing guide:
but it IS the image of professional basketball right now, so it is sportsmanlike, and hence it's legal. another proof that it's legal is that NBA is trying for years now to establish a rule that will make flop illegal. until then it's legal as sun or rox.
That's a silly interpretation of the rules - in the 1970's the NBA did a lot of fighting, that didn't make it not a technical foul to fight. It's not legal - Stu Jackson has the power to fine players for flopping (though he has not used it yet sadly) - this power was graanted last offseason.
and that rule only said refs should not call offensive foul if refs sure ("make certain") that defense player flop, (how smart a clause, duh). it does not say anything about flop itself. if you really want to get something out of that rule, it may be a suggestion that refs should ignore the flop if they are sure it's a flop, it definitely not implied that flop is illegal.
The only slippery slope for Sam Fisher's argument is what constitutes enough contact to make someone fall down. I know some of you guys around here will know an old MacArthur coach Walt Kaiser. Dude was serious on defense. Anyways, he used to show us that good balance keeps you on your feet. He would have us stand with our feet parallel and gently push us. Most of us would stumble backwards. Then he would have us with our feet staggered and use the same push. We all stood still. Point is, when you draw a charge your feet are usually parallel and thus lighter contact will knock you backwards/down than would if you were in a normal defensive stance.
if that's the case, that's the most ridiculous/hilarious rule ever, b/c that would be a full time job for Stu Jackson. would be really nice bonus for NBA on the market condition like now though. If they really want to make a rule against flop, they must give that power to refs, not that great great Jackson or beloved Obama.
I did not say that if someone brushed your jersey you exaggerated. I am talking about real contact. If you got knock, sure a lot of times you could maintain your balance by taking a step back. But that would be an automatic blocking foul. Do you want our defenders to do that? That would be very dumb. The only way to keep your feet planted and not risk injury is to fall when the guy hit you. Hayes' last minute play on Roy was precisely this kind. I don't see it as flopping. It was a legit charge. You have to have legit defensive position to take the charge. I do not consider taking charge flopping. Flopping is when you feign getting fouled when nothing actually has happened. Like the one Przyilla did on Yao, and those countless times Kirilenko did. That's cheating. I don't know why you guys cannot distinguish these two kinds of plays.
??? Excuse me. ??? Flopping is personal behavior and is under the control of each individual. Flopping is just plain being untruthful (cheating, to be blunt), no matter who is doing it. Poor players, they all have such weak minds and constitutions that until the league makes them stop they just can't help themselves. "The league makes them do it." Same goes for all vices, I guess. (????) Having said this, the unpleasant truth is that too many players, "do it (substitute whatever the transgression here) because everyone else does."
You know, most "floppers" do it to accentuate the contact that has happened. If someone drives into you and you stand straight up, it's often a no-call, or a foul on YOU, even though you haven't initiated contact. To flop is to show the referees 'he made the first contact' - and if they deem his drive too aggressive, BINGO, charge call. Some flops are obscene - (the Kirilenko/ Flopton kind) - but most are fine.
