1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Lowball Morey on the prowl

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Old Man Rock, Jul 18, 2009.

  1. Old Man Rock

    Old Man Rock Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 1999
    Messages:
    7,157
    Likes Received:
    518
    Lowball Morey talks of possibly signing a free agent at the end of the summer or later, but doing so in search of value. Which I took to mean being predatorial (is that a word?). In other words signing a player on the cheap after all the other teams have either exhausted all of their MLE money or they have no intention of using it. Thus catching player’s agents in desperation mode, fearing that their clients may get stuck with a minimum type money if they don’t jump on Morey's insulting Lowball Offer. (my guestimate is about 1.7 mil starting after we spend 2.3 on Andersen and 1.7 mil combined on our rookies).

    Smart Morey Moneyball at work. Of course Morey will first explain to them how much we love their guy and how is a perfect fit in Adelman's system and how we would offer more if we had it. But in the end the deal favors the Rockets. So of the following free agents (Some on this list may already be gone or out of our reach) do you see anyone worth signing for our lowball contract...

    1. David Lee, Knicks (RFA)
    Teams interested: Knicks, Blazers, Thunder
    Salary range: $8-10 million per year
    Lee is a double-double machine who has become a favorite among New York fans and coaches around the league. The Knicks have a goal of clearing cap space for 2010, meaning they might not be in a position to match a substantial offer sheet. So Lee is the rare top-notch restricted free agent whom an opposing team might be able to steal away. At least in theory. The Grizzlies flirted with making him an offer but then backed away. The Blazers also have toyed with the idea but haven't pulled the trigger.

    2. Lamar Odom, Lakers (UFA)
    Teams interested: Lakers, Cavs
    Salary range: $6-8 million per year
    Odom is one of the most interesting free agents on the open market. With Kobe, Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum on L.A.'s roster, the Lakers don't desperately need him, especially now that they've spent $33 million on Ron Artest.
    Still, Odom is a great team guy who can rebound and initiate the offense, and he doesn't need the ball to be effective. He wants a lot of money to stay with the Lakers, but if they won't pay it, who will? He may have to settle for the midlevel exception if he can't make a deal with L.A.

    3. Andre Miller, Sixers (UFA)
    Teams interested: Sixers, Blazers, Pacers
    Salary range: $5.5-7 million per year
    At age 33, Miller is coming off two of the best seasons of his career. Can the Sixers afford to lose him? Some GM who needs a veteran point guard will be willing to gamble on Miller this summer if he gives up his $10 million per season demands.

    4. Marvin Williams, Hawks (RFA)
    Teams interested: Hawks, ???
    Salary range: $5.5-7 million per year
    Williams has as much raw talent as anyone else in the draft class of 2005, but he has been frustratingly inconsistent in his first four seasons with the Hawks. Williams has struggled to receive any offers from a team because rival GMs are convinced the Hawks will match. Although he probably will stay in Atlanta, he hasn't played well enough to earn anything close to the $60-64 million, five-year contract that fellow '05 classmate Danny Granger signed this past fall.

    5. Raymond Felton, Bobcats (RFA)
    Teams interested: Bobcats, Sixers
    Salary range: $5-6 million per year
    Felton has been looking over his shoulder at Larry Brown's young protégé, D.J. Augustin, who performed well enough as a rookie that it's unlikely the Bobcats would match a big offer sheet for Felton.
    Felton can dish out assists, but his poor shooting has hampered his career. If the Bobcats can get Felton for the midlevel exception, I think they'll keep him. Given that all the money has really dried up out there, I think his return to the Bobcats is likely.

    6. Josh Childress, Hawks (RFA)
    Teams interested: Bucks, Pacers
    Salary range: $4-6 million per year
    Childress shocked many in the NBA by deciding to bolt for Greece last summer. He'll likely be back in the NBA eventually, but it's unclear whether he'll decide to return in the fall. However, with bad blood lingering over how his negotiations went with Atlanta last summer, he probably won't return to the Hawks, even though they still hold his rights.

    7. Ramon Sessions, Bucks (RFA)
    Teams interested: Bucks, Warriors, Heat, Blazers, Pacers, Rockets
    Salary range: $4-6 million per year
    Teams are always in pursuit of point guards, especially ones who won't break the bank, and Sessions has caught the eye of a number of teams. With the Bucks struggling financially, they may not be able to match an offer.

    8. Allen Iverson, Pistons (UFA)
    Teams interested: Grizzlies, Bobcats, Bulls, Heat
    Salary range: $3-5 million per year
    Iverson's late-season disappearance didn't help his reputation. He's still a good player, but two nagging questions will hurt his case for a big deal: One, with the exception of that magical season in Philly under Larry Brown, is Iverson a winner? Two, does he have much left? The answer to the first question seems to be no. The answer to the second question seems to be a qualified yes. The Grizzlies seem to have the most interest at the moment, with owner Michael Heisley pondering whether to offer Iverson a one-year, $5 million deal.

    9. Nate Robinson, Knicks (RFA)
    Teams interested: Knicks, Kings
    Salary range: $3-5 million per year
    The Knicks probably can't afford to keep Robinson as they try to re-sign David Lee and clear cap space for LeBron James (and/or others). Look for Sacramento, among other teams, to make a run at him, especially after the Kings made a big play for him at the trade deadline.

    10. Linas Kleiza, Nuggets (RFA)
    Teams interested: Nuggets, Knicks, Cavs, Raptors
    Salary range: $3-5 million per year
    Kleiza is an up-and-coming forward who drew a lot of interest at the trade deadline. He's physical and can score and should land a deal around the midlevel exception.

    11. Glen Davis, Celtics (RFA)
    Teams interested: Celtics, Pistons
    Salary range: $3-5 million per year
    Davis might be expendable now that the Celtics have signed Rasheed Wallace. Still, teams are wary of giving him an offer sheet on the off chance that the Celtics could match.

    12. Marquis Daniels, Pacers (UFA)
    Teams interested: Pacers, Rockets, Mavericks
    Salary range: $2.5-4 million per year
    Daniels is coming off one of the best seasons of his career. He's 28, in the prime of his career and really could help a team coming off the bench. He just has to come to grips with the fact that he won't make $7 million a year anymore.

    13. Drew Gooden, Spurs (UFA)
    Teams interested: ???
    Salary range: $2.5-4 million per year
    Gooden's situation has been surprisingly quiet. He's big, talented and still pretty young. But he has a bad rep around the league and can't seem to find a home.

    14. Joe Smith, Cavs (UFA)
    Teams interested: Cavs, Magic, Hornets
    Salary range: $2-4 million per year
    Smith continues to be a solid low-post option off the bench, especially for a title contender.

    15. Chris Wilcox, Knicks (UFA)
    Teams interested: Wizards
    Salary range: $2-4 million per year
    Wilcox has enormous athletic ability and is still relatively young. However, he's struggling to find a team willing to give him big bucks.

    16. Hakim Warrick, Grizzlies (RFA)
    Teams interested: Grizzlies, ???
    Salary range: $2-4 million per year
    Warrick has talent, and a number of teams would target him if he weren't a restricted free agent. The Grizzlies won't match a huge offer, but I don't think anyone is inclined to give him one anyway.

    17. Ben Wallace, Suns (UFA)
    Teams interested: Mavericks, Pistons, Celtics
    Salary range: $2-4 million per year
    It may be too early to write off Wallace. He probably doesn't want to toil for a lottery team, but there are several contenders who need size who might be a good fit. Wallace can't do anything offensively, but defensively he still contributes.

    18. Tim Thomas, Bulls (UFA)
    Teams interested: ???
    Salary range: Minimum to $2 million per year
    Thomas is just 32 years old and still can provide a solid offensive option off the bench for a team looking for a veteran shooter.

    19. Rasho Nesterovic, Pacers (UFA)
    Teams interested: Spurs, Rockets, Magic
    Salary range: $2.5-4 million per year
    Nesterovic may have lost a step or two, but he's still a pretty effective post man, especially on the offensive end. For a team that is thin at center, he could be a really nice addition to play 15 to 20 minutes a night.

    20. Rashad McCants, Kings (UFA)
    Teams interested: ??
    Salary range: $2-4 million per year
    McCants doesn't have the world's greatest off-the-court rep, but on the court, he's still an excellent scorer with deep range on his jump shot.

    21. Ike Diogu, Kings (UFA)
    Teams interested: Kings
    Salary range: $2-4 million per year
    Diogu has battled injuries and struggled to crack the rotation in Golden State, Indiana, Portland and Sacramento. But when he has played, he has shown a knack for scoring the basketball. Teams won't spend much on him, but he has a skill that is in demand.

    22. Jerry Stackhouse, Grizzlies (UFA)
    Teams interested: ???
    Salary range: Minimum to $2 million per year
    Stackhouse was traded to the Grizzlies and then waived. But he still has some value around the league on a team looking for another veteran swing man.

    23. Carlos Delfino, Raptors (RFA)
    Teams interested: ???
    Salary range: $2-4 million per year
    Delfino has great size for his position, can shoot the basketball and should come cheaply now that the Raptors have spent all of their money on Hedo Turkoglu.

    24. Ronald Murray, Hawks (UFA)
    Teams Interested: ???
    Salary Range: $2-3 million per year
    Murray was a candidate for the sixth man of the year award last season. He's a gunner, but few low-salaried backup guards can score like he can.

    25. Jamario Moon, Heat (RA)
    Team Interested: Heat
    Salary Range: Minimum to $2 million per year
    Moon is an athletic forward who can run the floor, defend and contribute offensively. He started 21 games for the Heat last season.


    Other unrestricted notables: Leon Powe, Celtics; Sean May, Bobcats; Stromile Swift, Nets; Robert Swift, Thunder; Keith Bogans, Bucks; Bobby Jackson, Kings; Luther Head, Heat; Rodney Carney, Wolves; Cedric Simmons, Kings; Damon Jones, Bucks; Desmond Mason, Thunder; Chris Mihm, Grizzlies; Gerald Green, Mavericks; Wally Szczerbiak, Cavs; Jason Collins, Timberwolves; Jarron Collins, Jazz; Shelden Williams, Wolves; Stephon Marbury, Celtics; Mikki Moore, Celtics; Juwan Howard, Bobcats; Joey Graham, Raptors; Maceo Baston, Pacers; Rob Kurz, Warriors; Morris Almond, Jazz.
     
    #1 Old Man Rock, Jul 18, 2009
    Last edited: Jul 18, 2009
  2. T-Slack

    T-Slack Member

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2009
    Messages:
    2,893
    Likes Received:
    81
    Rodney Carney!!!!! He showed alot of upside at the end lof last year. Too bad we are stacked at the 2-3 spot though.
     
  3. Da Wink

    Da Wink Member

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2002
    Messages:
    2,572
    Likes Received:
    168
    How about either of the Collins twins? They're both a serviceable center..but Jason (who played for new jersey) seems the better one.
     
  4. Gimmmethemike

    Gimmmethemike Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2009
    Messages:
    3,340
    Likes Received:
    862
    They are Garbage! PASS!
     
  5. yaofor3

    yaofor3 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2008
    Messages:
    110
    Likes Received:
    0
    I. Thought morey said. He was gonna do a trade ?
     
  6. smoothie_king

    smoothie_king Member

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2007
    Messages:
    3,116
    Likes Received:
    540
    It the rockets could land powe, mikki moore, or kleiza that would greatly improve their chances
     
  7. rockets06

    rockets06 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2009
    Messages:
    347
    Likes Received:
    6
    personally if the rockets could land Delfino or Mikki Moore I'd be satisfied! then buy out the contracts of Cook and Barry if we can't trade them. As for White he's garbage!
     
  8. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    46,837
    Likes Received:
    18,556

    Powe is rehabbing from MCL. mikki moore just sucks! :)
     
  9. jason3333

    jason3333 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2009
    Messages:
    479
    Likes Received:
    18
    very nice job, are you morey in disguise?
     
  10. Stevierebel

    Stevierebel Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2001
    Messages:
    3,140
    Likes Received:
    119

    It's the ESPN free agent list. OP didn't give proper documentation.
     
    1 person likes this.
  11. jwayne

    jwayne Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2009
    Messages:
    253
    Likes Received:
    40
    I still think Wilcox helps us. We arent going to get a star, face it. Wilcox can provide an athletic, shot blocking big man... on the cheap.
     
  12. pbthunder

    pbthunder Contributing Member

    Joined:
    May 17, 2002
    Messages:
    1,933
    Likes Received:
    39
    We have money for FAs?

    My understanding is that we used almost all of the MLE on Andersen plus the rookies (going to, going to). I think we only have about $1 million, unless we aren't going to sign the rookies, in which case we'd have a little over $3 million.
     
  13. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2002
    Messages:
    56,814
    Likes Received:
    39,127
    I knew I'd seen the list before. OMR, you should give the link.
     
  14. Uprising

    Uprising Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2000
    Messages:
    42,285
    Likes Received:
    5,479
    LINK? Isn't that BSPN?

    Also, to the guy who said are you Morey in disguise.....don't quote the ENTIRE post....geez.
     
  15. ElPigto

    ElPigto Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2006
    Messages:
    14,790
    Likes Received:
    23,358
    I hate to be an ass around here, but I ask politely, please try not to quote huge posts.
     
  16. Big Shot Rob

    Big Shot Rob Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2009
    Messages:
    366
    Likes Received:
    4
    I wouldn't mind seeing Linas Kleiza in Rocket Red. He's very efficient, can shoot the three-ball, snag boards, and run the floor.
     
  17. Dubious

    Dubious Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2001
    Messages:
    18,316
    Likes Received:
    5,088
    Not a capologist but

    We are spending 2.5 of the MLE on Anderson. That leaves around 2.8?

    We can use some of it to sign our rooks to deals that extend our rights to them. We can spend some or all of it to sign Von. Or we could offer it to any of the guys on this list though at that level almost any of the RFA's would get matched unless 1. Their team is cap strapped or dumping salary or 2. the player is just not going to play in the NBA.

    Right?

    I'd offer it all to Marvin Williams.

    nah, I guess it's Von and Budinger, 1.9 for two for Von, .9 for the extra year for Bud.
     
    #17 Dubious, Jul 18, 2009
    Last edited: Jul 18, 2009
  18. pentajigga

    pentajigga Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2008
    Messages:
    59
    Likes Received:
    5
    Almost any RFA of any worth will be matched.

    Morey has been pretty clear that any moves will now come from trades. That may include sign + trades for UFAs, which would allow us to spend more by sending over players in exchange.

    My sense is that unless a desperate situation unfolds we are set as a team until signing/cuts at training camp.

    I think a desperate situation is like the Millsap situation where Utah got squeezed forcing their hand on Boozer. This could happen with other teams forced to move pieces to match offer sheets.
     
  19. pbthunder

    pbthunder Contributing Member

    Joined:
    May 17, 2002
    Messages:
    1,933
    Likes Received:
    39
    mid-level exception: $5.854 million
    total cap: $57.7 million
     
  20. rockets934life

    rockets934life Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2007
    Messages:
    15,312
    Likes Received:
    249
    Chris Wilcox is about to sign with the Pistons so mark him off the list. I got a tweet from Yahoo Sports so really no link to provide. I really liked him and would have been excited to have him as insurance for Andersen/Dorey.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now