I agree, my gf liked it. But I felt disappointed when it ended. At least the V episode was a good one.
I think they spend too long on the buildup and development of MIB. I very much would rather see how Jacob went from being a candidate to how he recruited his own cult/temple and learned about the process and reason for picking new candidates.
Given the anticipation to this episode, it was a little bit of a letdown. I am ok with not everything being fully explained. It just wasn't as good as it felt like it should have been. I can't really explain it. On another note, was the clip of Jack and Kate an old episode or something filmed recently? I know Adam and Eve has been around for a while, but I don't remember Jack finding the stones.
I believe it's from "House of the Rising Sun" in Season 1. Jack and Kate had been swarmed with bees and they made it to the caves and were taking off their clothes when they found the bodies.
Yeah, I just found it. Thats pretty good that they had some of the stuff that far back i.e. the stones. Only problem is that Jack thinks the clothes on Adam and Eve are 40 or 50 years old. Man was he off!
He kind of used Richard for that purpose. He had no followers until Richard. Jacob brings people to the island to prove to MIB that they're not all corruptible, but he doesn't want to interact with them directly because he wants them to demonstrate that they know right from wrong on their own. Richard says that MIB will intervene even if Jacob won't so Jacob suggests that Richard be his representative. This was all in the dialogue between Jacob and Richard. So Jacob brings people to the Island and Richard recruits some of them to be followers of Jacob.
Agree 100%. I've been a faithful Lostie, but this was absolute dreck. Worst episode of the series that I can recall.
FWIW, I think MIB's name IS Esau as was speculated initially after the Season 5 finale. In the Book of Genesis, Esau was Jacob's fraternal twin brother. And one of ABC/Lost's just posted YouTube clips has this descriptions "Jacob and Esau are told that one of them must protect the light source." Of course, in Genesis, Esau was born first and Jacob was born second. Also, Jacob was kind of a dick to Esau. When Esau was hungry, Jacob would only give him food if he gave Jacob his birthright. Later, Jacob deceived his father, Isaac, into giving him a blessing meant for Esau.
The major problem i have with this episode is the same problem i have with most Lost episodes, simply unbelievable character behavior. The motivation to drive the plot is contrive, relying on unexplained character behavior to result in further rediculous actions. For instance, no reason is given to us or to MIB & jacob by the crazy lady as to why she A: wont let MIB leave, B: continually lies to them about the outside world C: the consequences of going down into the light D: how and why she killed all the villagers A few simple easy explanation would have changed the outcome... say she explains to MIB her reasons , everyone dies or some other calamity (whatever the truth is) perhaps he wouldnt be so bitter and determined to leave. And if she had the power to single handedly destroy an entire village, perhaps she could have simply stopped them and warned them not to dig, thus not causing MIB to want to kill her. Furthermore wth are her powers? Can wipe out an entire village but cant defend herself from seemingly powerless mIB with a knife? Also and most egregious, perhaps if she had i dont know... told Jacob that going down in the light would cause the creation of a devil/smoke monster when he asked.... maybe he would have thought twice about throwing someone in there. considering that the creation of smokey is probably a bad thing in terms of defending the light, i dont see why she wouldnt tell jacob that . A few other problems with the episodes include... whats the deal with jacob and MIB not being able to hurt each other as crazy lady stated, because from the two beat down jacob put on mib, it sure looked painful. Secondly what was with jacobs reaction to mib running away and learning that crazy ladys been lieing to him AND killed his birth mother... i didnt think beating his brother was one of the available reaction to choose from.
i dont think she wanted the responsibility anymore and was ok with dying.' im starting to lose faith that this will be wrapped up as well as it could of been. but it was a hell of a ride regardless.
Yup, all the baby theories etc still haven't even been explored yet! Candidates, the battle with Widmore, etc etc
Wow, some seriously sour reactions over the episode! Saying that, I'm not arguing with any who have a bad taste in their mouth. Myself, 5 years ago I made peace with the fact the answers couldn't live up to the questions and that the ultimate revelations would be disappointing. The best part about the unknown is that its possibilities are endless. The answers are finite, limited, and constrictive. If Pulp Fiction explicitly told us what was in the briefcase, it would rob us of the cool "soul" debate. I don't want to hear exactly what the island is. It's the midichlorian route that murdered the prequels nearly as well as Lucas' atrocious skills as a director of actors. What I enjoyed about last night was it muddied the good/bad waters extremely effectively without it feeling forced or fake. -The Mother's treatment of the kids was very much in line with how Desmond was treated in the Swan hatch - lied to (Quarantine) in order to force him into an undesirable eternal responsibility, one that isn't clear as to whether or not it is truly necessary or serving a good purpose. We now know Jacob really is a demigod, not god, and like Richard he wasn't fully indoctrinated as to the true nature and origin of the island. He's just going with what's passed down to him. And that person likely had a similar origin. There is no definitive source of information. Jacob is not omniscient. Also, it's up for debate how much of Smokey is the MIB, and how much of the MIB is in Smokey. Is it just him in a discorporate form? Or is Smokey an entity in and of itself that merged with the soul of MIB? I can't decide if the "correct" move for Jack is to take on Jacob's role, or if he needs to break the cycle and help sink the island. I'm leaning toward the latter. Throw the ring into the lava.
You can figure out the answers to those questions. She has the role of "protecting" the Island. In particular, there is some extremely powerful light/energy source which should not be let out. The details on what exactly is that light/energy source is not so important -- its nature is probably beyond our comprehension but it can do things like manipulate space/time, make people seemingly ageless, or bring forth a demonic, smokey spirit. It is the source of the Island's mysterious powers, and it is not meant for humans to have access to it. Why doesn't she want MIB to leave? It could simply be that she loves him as her son. That's the reason she gave just as she was dying. She lies to them about the outside world because (1) she doesn't want them to go, (2) if she allows them to be too inquisitive, they may discover for themselves the Island's powers in an effort to get off it. What are the consequences of going into the light? We saw it. "Worse than death". It apparently unleashes evil incarnate from within the person (the smoke monster), leaving their body behind as a lifeless corpse. Why did she kill all the villagers? We don't know for sure that she did. But the motive is clear -- the villagers represent a threat to the Island because they are digging in places they shouldn't be and trying to access forces they don't understand. As to how he did it, presumably as protector of the Island (Jacob's predecessor, it seems) she has some special powers at her disposal.
Yea that seems to be the popular idea I keep hearing with MIB's name. I think it is r****ded though on how LOST is handling revealing his name. After last night's episode, its apparent that the writers of LOST want MIB's name to be one of the great mysteries and "jaw dropping" moments to happen in the series finale when someone finally says his name, which will probably Esau like you said, and they believe everyone will be experiencing this "Wow" factor when they do research on who Esau is. But in reality we already pretty much know that Jacob and MIB are biblical characters so revealing his name to be Esau doesn't really bring anything new to the table
The Lost writers are fully aware of fans are speculating about their show. My guess is that his name is never explicitly mentioned. At this point, I don't see the need for them to do so, unless its part of some crazy twist that no one saw coming.
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Is it not at all possible that Mother could have been smoke monster as well before she died? I mean, how else would you explain her single handedly taking MIB up those wooden stairs once she knocked him out? And how would one explain the hole being filled up so quickly? That was a pretty deep/wide hole they had dug. And the only thing we have seen destroy a whole group of people like the villagers was the smoke monster (in the temple). And one more thing, when MIB was running away with Jacob to the "people" and they started to fight, Mother showed up to the scene prettttty quickly. Maybe that's why Mother was trying to raise them both as good boys, because she herself had done/witnessed some horrible things as the smoke monster.
great episode. certainly not underwhelming to say the least. I mean, we just learned the genesis of the Smoke Monster. and like mentioned before, would there be any logical explanation how a pillar of black smoke moves around a jungle, inhabiting minds, bodies, and souls while proceeding to destroy anything in its path? would any answer to the origin of Smokey actually satiate anyones needs for answers? we also saw MIB's crazy mother as he described her a few episodes back, we learn that Jacob and MIB are twin brothers. sure there are open ended questions but it surely wasn't 40 minutes of "filler"
