can someone confirm regarding the well- that's one of many wells on the island, but not necessarily the one that leads to the donkey wheel at the Orchid Station... is this correct?
Hard to confirm for sure, but I was definitely left with that impression as well. The well at the Orchid was surrounded by trees. The well Desmond was pushed into was in an open field. Also, I don't think Flocke would put Desmond in a position to turn the donkey wheel should he survive the fall.
Okay I have finally watched the last two episodes... Why did Desmond help Hugo and hit Locke? I was very confused about that. Also, what was up with Smokey Locke pushing Desmond into the well? What does it mean that Desmond can survive the electro magnetic "bomb"? I am full of more questions after this episode. Really enjoyed seeing Michael again and thought it was nice how they explained the "whispers" on the island. Another question is why can't Miles hear them? Okay now I am going to go back and read the posts I missed.
Presumably to help trigger memories from the other time line. Widmore and Smokey are about to wage war on each other. Widmore brought Desmond to the island for a reason. By killing (or attempting to kill) Desmond, Smokey is throwing a wrench into Widmore's battle plan. Yet to be revealed, but I think Widmore's plan involves destroying the pockets of electromagnetic energy and Desmond's ability probably helps him do that. While Hurley and Desmond can both communicate with dead, their abilities are not the same. Hurley speaks with the ghosts of the dead but he can't really turn it on or off. Miles can access the memories of the dead (up until the point of death) but he has to be near the remains to do it and he can't hold conversations like Hurley can and he can't get any information about things that happened after the death. So even if Miles asked a corpse what the whispers were, he wouldn't know because the corpse wouldn't have known before it died.
How ridiculously bad was the conversation between Hurley and Michael explaining what the whispers are? That seemed like such lazy writing
hurley has known to be the "voice" of the audience. He's usually asking the questions that we ask, except it's on the show. For example, the convo between hurley and miles about "whatever happens, happened"
With only 6 more episodes left I'm scared a lot of the smaller questions will be answered in little afterthoughts like that scene. Anyway what makes Michael have any better idea than a living person about what the island wants? All of the dead people on the island could be distractions and liars, and Michael's the last one to trust. Does anyone think the island is a separate, third entity (between Jacob and Smokey)? It's not just an instrument to keep Smokey contained, since it sort of controls people's living and dying. Or is that Jacob?
I do agree that some of the answers seemed quick and forced. I still can't believe the statue was teased for years, just for its destruction to have no significance. Last episode's well was definitely not the Orchid - Orchid was built over top of a well in the 70s. So yes, there are apparently wells all over the island. Swan was probably one back in the day too.
There are some really good theories out there about Flocke is John Locke and maybe Desmond is the only one who really knows that. This is one example: Could it really be that obvious? MIB (i.e John Locke) tells Richard that Jacob took his body and humanity. Hense he doesn't look like John Locke in this scene. This is a host body. MIB / John Locke has broken the loop-hole and finally gotten his body back and Jacob has "no idea what he had to go through to get here" (i.e. back to his true form.) MIB / JL tells Ben how JL felt when he died. The obvious thing to think is "he's obsorbed JL's memories". What if it's as straight foward as him just remembering how he felt when Ben killed him? He speaks to Claire about his crazy mother - obvious Desmond: "You're John Locke". MIB's uncanny JL impression "Don't tell me what I can't do!"; Young JL drawing picture of smoke monster before anything. MIB / JL (if that was him in the cabin) asks JL to "Help me". I believe there's more hints which I can't recall right now. Now this would take one hell of a time loop / "Star Trek City on the edge of forever episode" to pull off. Here's one possible but insane scenario: Original-original John Locke is hurled back millennia into the past in the pilot episode by the electromagnetic flash that crashes the plane he was on(bare with me). Jacob meets him way in the past (or Jacob could possibly be another 815 passenger. A young boy perhaps.) and cures him with the magic lake or something which ****s him up and turns him into smoke monster because of the darkness inside him or something. Jacob warns him of this before hand but JL takes the chance. JL believes he was tricked because he believes this darkness lies within everyone. Jacob disagrees and tries to prove it again and again with candidates. Over the centuries JL gets more and more pissed off as he wants to leave etc and is tired of playing Jacob's morality game (in the meantime he takes the form of various visitors to the island.) Anyway they both know that eventually the same crash will happen again and the whole loop will happen again etc. JL wants to end this loop. Meanwhile Original JL is born as normal. Now we know that John Locke was indirectly (and at one point) directly influenced to be on that flight by external forces coming from the island. So it's one of those reverse "kill your own grandfather" paradoxes whereby the only reason JL was on Oceanic Flight 815 was because of the island and the only reason the island wanted JL on that flight is because of JL. Or to put it another way "The only reason John Locke was sent back in time was because he was on Oceanic Flight 815 but the only reason he was on Oceanic Flight 815 was because he was sent back in time." Anyway I don't think this would be too bad an explanation if they pull it off in an extremely clever mind-**** way and explain a few other elements (Jacob’s apparent immortality, maybe he got some power from the island and wasn’t influenced the way JL was as he was an innocent child, I dunno). And I'm sure the writers are a lot cleverer than me. EDIT: Actually just had a thought about Christian Shepherd, maybe his body was sent way back into the past as well. That’s why the coffin was empty. I’m rambling now….
Also seems as if everyone in the alt. timeline is meeting at the hospital but hopefully we will find out tonight.
Great episode tonight. I can't wait for the next one. It seems that Jack is now one of the resurrected. Didn't see that coming and am hoping he's not over to Flocke's side. On a similar note, I still hold out hope that Sayid and Claire can be saved, but we'll see.
They certainly made the case that Sayid and Claire can be saved, or are in the process of being redeemed. I don't think it was just a nerd shoutout that Hugo mentioned it. For once timeline X is exciting, and damn it all theyre taking a break next week. Jack made a good point, that they should be doing the opposite of what Locke wants, but Hugo thought they should follow Sawyer so I don't know what to think.
Why do I have a feeling that Jack's ex-wife (or son's mother) in the alt. timeline is Juliet? That would be interesting.
