Didn't see it mentioned here yet, so: Sawyer in this timeline has a file and photo clipping, NOT the letter that he carried around initially. This pretty strongly suggests that he didn't get Jacob's pen this go around (supposedly happened pre-Jughead, but now in doubt). And Miles not being a Ghostbuster similarly suggests that Miles was touched by Jacob to receive that gift in Timeline A (but not X). I think Hurley's commune with souls and Jack's medical miracles were also Jacob gifts. Couldn't agree more - I was stunned at how much better looking she was on G4. To play off his reaction to Liam..."Sorry, not my department" He's not a cop to be a cop, he's a cop to hunt down a specific con man. Wrinkle in Time, Lancelot, and Watership Down - all making second appearances and all treading on LOST themes. Wrinkle also had a Walt-like kid. Lancelot had a Desmond-ish time plot (guy goes crazy from it) Watership Down (rabbits) had a double-agent bunny just before a throw down with "the Others" - lines up well with last night. I'd also say that makes the rabbit being cooked for dinner at the end of the episode ominous. Pylons make it clear he's not buddies with NotLocke. Ben backstabbed Widmore to take over as leader of the Others. Widmore (a) feels that he's the best for the job, (b) incensed that a punk upstart took away "his" island. Did Widmore know in advance about the Smokey power play happening (not like he has a Island webcam)? I think he did, based on his "nightmare" mention in S4 and his "war" chat with Locke last season. But he also wants to take back his position as Island King. No real coincidence that in last week's Napoleon episode, he showed up at the end. Equally obsessed with power.
A friend of mine brought up a good point that I had not thought about. If Ben was a follower of Jacob then how come he was able to call upon smokey to kill the swat team a few seasons back.
Because Jacob-Smokey are two sides to the same coin. Good Cop, Bad Cop if you want. Jacob with the healing, Smokey with the throwdowns on "trespassers." It's why they couldn't directly kill one another, it's why Smokey's pit was underneath the Temple. Ying-Yang, all that.
Yeah, I guess. Maybe Sawyer just wanted to get home after a long Sydney-LA flight? Dealing with Kate would just cause him to have to do more paperwork. That's probably the most plausible explanation, haha.
But in that "war is coming" chat, he told Locke that if he didn't return to the island, the wrong side was going to win. So if Widmore did know what was coming, did he know that Smokey would take Locke's form and use it in a plot to kill Jacob? Maybe he simply used Locke to get the Oceanic 6 (4?) back because they'll be pivotal in the defeat of Old Smokey. Or maybe he wanted Smokey freed so that he could come back and defeat him, a feat which would lead the others to re-instate Widmore as their leader. Hard to figure out Widmore's angle is in all this right now.
I can't stop being wowed by the amount of detail in this tv show..! Maybe he didn't want Miles to know he arrested a girl while in the airport coming from Sidney? He was supposed to be in Palm Springs so arresting a woman at LAX would have looked fishy I suppose.
I completely understand the whole good vs evil, but if Ben is taking sides with Jacob (the good) then why was he able to summon smokey (the bad). Jacob and smokey being enemies I would think that smokey would not obey a request from Ben who sides with Jacob.
I get the feeling that Smokey was subservient to Jacob, now that he's dead he's kind of gotten free reign.
Again, re: Sawyer not arresting Kate - Sawyer's not a cop to be a good cop. It's a means to get the guy who conned his parents. That's it. He doesn't care about Liam and his druggy brother. He doesn't care about Kate slipping the Marshall at the airport. He's not Captain America, Dick Tracy, Law & Order. He's a kid that was hurt and found a way to track down the guy that ruined his life. His angle seems to be straightforward: take down Smokey on behalf of Jacob, set himself up back as Leader on the Island in the bargain. He almost certainly won't be a hero in this, if only because his motives aren't pure. I fully expect NotLocke to trash him but good. At best, the "who" in the locked room will prove to be a decisive help to Team Jack. It's hard to figure out what Widmore knew/knows. My best guess is that he wanted Locke to return alive. Ben killing him and bringing him back in his casket was probably the polar opposite of Widmore's hope. Again, I think they're intertwined They were all chained to "rules" Unfortunately, Smokey's no longer bound to (most of) them.
Wasnt smokey trapped in the cabin for a long time? Ben thought he was bringing Locke to "jacob" but in reality that was where smokey was trapped. It had a circle of ashes around it to keep smokey in but at some point it got broken and he escaped.
I just started watching Lost for the first time last night...i watched both pilots and just watched 2 more episodes just now....im hooked ..plus that Kate chick is hot....I wish i would of started watching this soooner..
look at the positive side, at least you can watch the majority of the series without having to wait for episodes or seasons.
That's a great point. I think that, combined with his general ambivalence toward his job in law enforcement, pretty much explain why he didn't care to involve himself with Kate.
This is a pretty good point because when they had shown a flash of "jacob" in the cabin it looked nothing like the jacob we know now. Maybe this is what smokey really looks like...
SO - Can we assume that one of the 'candidates' will be able to . . . subjegate Smokey again? It would be a situation where the rules between Smokey and Jacob would apply to the 'candidate' that would arise. therefore binding smokey to the island again. [which may mean he needs to kill all candidates to escape.] Rocket River
I think your right here and it makes more sense then smokey having some type of "rule" that he had to listen to Ben. Because if that was the case then there wouldn't have been a need for the Ash and the sound defense system at the camps.
I did something similar a few months back. You're better off this way. I've talked to people who gave up on the show years ago because they couldn't follow it's intricacies from week to week to year to year. This way you can marathon it and pick up on the clues.
