There was some definite religious symbolism in the last scene where "John" throws Jacob into the fire, and not all of this was limited to biblical revisions. In at least the Christian, Muslim and perhaps Jewish faiths I believe this much to be true: When God created Man out of clay and brought forth this new "species" in front of all the other angels so that they could worship His creation (in this case when Jacob opened the door and welcomed the Black Rock to the Island in front of the second person shown at the beginning) Satan refused to worship this new life form citing that because he was made from Fire, he was better than Man and would not kneel in front of him. God then banished Satan from Heaven for his disobedience and since then Satan vowed to forever misguide generations of Men away from God's path and towards fire and brimstone. I think this plays beautifully with the season finale. The second person shown in the beginning didn't appreciate what Jacob was doing so he used betrayal and misguidance to allow Ben to kill Jacob. Richard Alpert plays the role of the angel Gabriel or any other messenger of God who is in contact with Him and also Man (or certain prophets). This show is full of religious undertone that applies to all three Abrahamic faiths. I'm really surprised at how the writers have worked all of this into such a terrific show.
not that i think it means anything but usually when something is placed in the show there have sort of significance. during the juliette flashback scene there was a book on the coffee table that said "mysteries of the ancient americas" i am not sure why but it stood out to me also with the statue sort of being revealed is there any theory as to who it could have been? i think the general answer was tawaret but i am not sure it look like a croc face to me
that is probably true but didnt sobek have a pretty large ceremonial head dress and i thought he held a staff or a sword and not two ankhs. but you could probably be right there could be many variations of sobek. just makes it all the more interesting i will have to rewatch the episode this weekend edit: also maybe juliette didnt set off the bomb and the flash of white light could be them skipping back to present day. I thought it could be Jacob "summoning" them back since he said to "Locke" they're coming I thought it could refer to those stuck in the past and maybe they come back and set everything proper on the island?
Finale was good. But it is kind of formulaic... introducing new factions.. religious symbolism.. these are things that are done in a lot of other shows.. like Sarah Connor Chronicles.. Battlestar Galactica.. to name a few. Anyways, just guessing here.. but i'm fairly certain Jack's destiny is to take Jacob's place in the end.
I just wish this show would end. 2010? Freezing myself for 7 months is looking to be my only option. Im so engrossed with finding out all the answers I dont even know if this is a good show or even if I like it anymore, and a majority of the time after each episode I think to myself "God I hate this show". If I could go back in time to 2004 I would warn myself not to watch this show, but I don't even know if that would stop me since what happens happens. Or maybe not? *****
To me, this episode reminded me of the Q from Star Trek: TNG. Jacob and Esau are two omnipotent Q's, amusing each other with arguments about whether humans can pass the test of faith/goodness or not. Esau says humanity will never maintain perfect faith and create a utopian society, while Jacob disagrees. So Jacob and Esau agree on a plan to set up Benjamin Linus and test him. If he chooses to maintain faith in Jacob even after everything he's gone through, then Jacob wins, If he loses faith and kills him, then Esau wins. I don't think either entity can truly die. That's one storyline. As for the other storyline, I believe that Juliet detonating the bomb really did "change everything." That, "whatever happened happened" is incorrect. Because if it didn't, then there wouldn't be a Season 6. And when Richard said last episode about seeing Jin and the rest of the gang die, obviously couldn't have happened because Richard was not at the hydrogen bomb explosion so he couldn't have known. So that means in the original timeline the Losties died in the purge, but the detonation changed everything. And lastly, WTF was the "Is Frank a candidate?" all about?
So Jacob was this huge behind the scenes character, and they kill him just like that. Am I missing something here?
Wow, some of you here should watch the episode again. Since the last 3 episodes, especially after "Locke"/imposter tells Ben he wants to kill Jacob, something of "Locke's" mannerisms kept striking me as sinister so I agree with people that he's probably the Devil if the theological direction of Lost is true. Jacob is a good guy/God.. he offers the 2nd man/Devil fish, keeps Kate out of trouble by paying for the shoplifted lunchbox, revives the real Locke after being pushed out of Cooper's office, refuses to steal/take the guitar from the taxi saying it's not his, tells Hugo to just take "his word on this" and that he is "blessed", etc. Focus on how Locke talks to Ben by the beach. There is this fascination with behavior and belief that is not human.. he attacks Ben's faith in Jacob, questioning why he goes to so many lengths and gets nothing concrete in return. Also, recall how he confirms Ben's promise to do whatever he says, like it's a verbal contract, Faust anyone? Lastly, recall how maliciously "Locke"/Satan refers to "dealing" with the Losties. When Jacob/God says "they're coming" he has this look of fear/anger. Locke=Satan impersonating him.
Also, Ben's last words with Jacob evoke the kind of conversation one thinks a disenfranchised believer of the Abrahamic faiths would have with God. How it's just faith. Obeying instructions, hearing only a name. Being patient yet not seeing any 'returns'. Misguided sense of entitlement i.e "what about ME??"
I think the plan was to get the Losties to blow up the nuclear device at the energy source to open up some kind of inter-dimensional portal. When Jacob says "They're coming" at the end, he's talking about something that is going to be coming through that portal.
cannot blame the guy, for obvious reasons, but jacob's korean at sun and jin's wedding was hysterical. i mean, it's absolutely atrocious. again, can't blame him since that's not his language and he probably didn't take much time to practice, but it was pretty damn bad. i thought it was funny because they had to have jin's character say how good the korean was, haha. charlotte, in previous episodes when she spoke korean, was awful too, but jacob tops them all. btw, jin's korean is pretty bad too, but at least you can understand what he's saying. sun is the only one with good korean because she's a korean actress that learned english. it just had me laughing out loud and i couldn't take jacob as a serious character anymore after that scene.
Next season starts with them all on the plane again, with Locke/Jacob being the only one who is different, and who sends them back to the island some way.
So, the supposed resurrection of John Locke never really happened and this new John Locke (maybe the devil) was someone else masquerading as Locke, having Locke's knowledge/memories, and some agenda? The real Locke was still in the casket after the plane crashed and shown to us near the end of the finale. So, Richard couldn't figure out how Locke was brought back to life and it appears he wasn't. Bottom line...new Locke doesn't appear to be Locke at all based on the events that occurred and the way Jacob/Locke were talking to each other. Wasn't it obvious that Jacob was expecting to be killed? Somehow, I don't think he is really gone.
Im sticking with the Jacob & Esau (from the Bible) theories over on the LOSTpedia forums. Lots of similarities. Some good stuff over there. LOSTpedia Forums
Don't forget he also caused the hit and run accident on Sayids girl. I wouldnt be so positive he is the good one yet. Seemed like a manipulative pettty god to me. The other dude wants to kill him because he likes interfering with the humans forcing them to crash onto the island.
I think Walt would be a little different too, unless they shot that scene 5 years ago. He's about six feet tall now.
