You should have known that from last season. He walks in on Kate in the shower, she freaks, he chuckles and says "relax - you're not my type"
I guess part of the significance is Ben doesn't own Tom...like he claims to own a daughter (in reality, he is no relation) and own the doctor (enough to where Ben killed her love interest). Therefore, Tom gets to leave the island and carry on with gay men on the mainland. Maybe if all the guys and girls on the island claim to be gay...Ben will show them the way off the island? Of course, that excludes quite a few people.
Well I'm late watching this but my question is didn't Tom die when they sabotaged the camp on the beach?
Yeah, but in Lost time, that was about a week ago. At that time, Naomi was already on the island and the freighter, with Michael on board, was in its current position. So obviously, Michael's encounter with Tom took place well before then.
I was wondering about this...And why point out the ghey lifestlye....not that there's anything wrong with that...I finally caught up... Michael coming back is kind of cool, but after you survive, you piss your life away...Since he wants to die, send him on a mission to take other people out...I think the Miliatry guys are there to storm the island, but for what purpose? To ensure there are no witnesses? So the Oceanic 6 are Sayid, Sun, Jin (I think), Kate, Jack and Hugo...Ben doesn't count? Funny, my girl and I were talking (she doesn't watch the show) and she was saying that after 4 years, you still don't know anything about the island and its powers and purpose...touche...I guess that's why I still watch...
He wasn't a passenger on the plane so he doesn't count...same with the baby (although he was kind of a passenger).
Ben doesn't count and was very likely smuggled off. I highly doubt he was ever seen with the others. Jin wouldn't count - his tombstone read 9-22-2004, so they came back saying he died when the plane crashed. They may have come back with his body, they may have left his body, or they may be covering up and he's alive on the island. Aaron (Claire's son) is generally regarded as the last of the Oceanic 6, though several people don't like that since it would be tough for Kate to pass him off as her own. Evan
Let's assume that Widmore is the one who faked the crash. You can't have 40+ passengers suddenly show up alive because then people are going to start questioning the validity of that crash site. So, if the rest of the world believes that everybody who was on 815 is dead, might as well try to make it a reality in order to protect the hoax. Yep, Aaron is definitely one of the 6. They said "Now that you know the Oceanic 6" and then they flashed briefly on Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun, and Aaron. I think that pretty much confirms it.
...and more importantly, neither he nor Ben want the general public to go anywhere the real crash site and find out about the island they're both so determined to have for themselves. Continues to get me though, how Jack laid out in court that the crash took place in the south pacific when the hoax site was in the indian ocean. There will obviously have to be some revelation after their rescue about the fake. You'd think that'd open up a search for the real crash site. Major plot hole for me, but I'll assume they've got some explanation up their sleeve. Evan
Yeah. Another thing I was thinking is, if the plane crashed on it's way from Sydney to LA (a northeast direction), why would they stage the crash in the Sundra Trench near Bali which is northwest of Austrailia. I mean, crashing in the South Pacific makes sense but ending up in Bali is WAY off course. You would think staging the crash there would raise some questions.
But if there's no way the black box could be located, it doesn't really matter what questions there are about the location of the plane since they can't be answered.
Sometime in season 1 it was referenced that the plane was 1000 miles off it's route (Emjohn?) We've seen the blackbox from the plane didn't Widmore have it? I've got no reason to know it but it seems to me that it would take the influence of The Island to actually fake the 815 wreckage since it was located within some 40 days after the crash. It seems like you'd need to be able to manipulate a little time and space to get that accomplished. The story Tom told Michael seems to me to be to easily a fabrication with counterfit documentation. Besides when have we ever known Tom to tell the truth, every story he's ever told any Lostie was a lie (except Kate). I don't see what advantage faking the wreckage would be to Widmore. It's not like anyone else was searching 100,000 square miles of ocean looking for them after there being no sign of them. Ben gave Rosseau the map to the temple. No one else would just randomly know where to set up the ambush. Since we didn't hear any shots, it had to be a silenced sniper rifle or at a very long range which sort of says it was scoped in on a particular spot and waiting. My bet is it is Richard Alpert To the best of my memory he's not dead ( Emjohn?)and he should be a very important character because he was Ben's mentor before the Others killed off the Dharma staff. (and he never got older from Ben's youth till the plane crash) Didn't he recruit Juliette? And by the way, I didn't get the impression that the pit of rotting corpses that Locke fell into was so much freshly dug as just never covered; did we see anyt digging equipment? Do we know the population of the Dharma Initiative before the revolt of The Others? It does make sense that that's the source of the bogus 815 bodies; even more evidence that Ben and the Island did the faking. They really are the ones with motive. They don't want anyone looking for 815 and finding them. What does The Island offer The Others that they must maintain it's secrecy? (I guess it's not immortality?) I still think The Island may not be in voluntary cooperation with The Others since Jacob (The Island?) asked Locke to "help me".
Yeah, that was the reason they staged the crash where they did. Someone mentioned it in the last couple of episodes. They put the plane down in a trench somewhere that is so deep there is no hope of ever recovering any of the bodies or black box from the plane.
Hoax Crash: I agree that it makes more sense for Benry to have staged it since he's the one actively working to keep anyone from the outside finding the island, including Widmore. I believe Widmore suspected a Benry scam with the crash, retrieved the blackbox via the submersible to check its authenticity, but generally knew it to be phony. He has the Hanso ledger which likely provides the keys to finding the island (star navigation? the helicoptor travels at night, and there's a star map in Benry's apartment). Widmore would probably want to play along with th ehoax since he doesn't want anyone else knowing the truth, but it makes less sense for him to have actually planted it. I'm inclined to believe that the bodies really were dug up from the graveyard that Tom showed Michael, the devil loves lying in half truths. Tom may or may not have known the truth himself. As far as the blackbox, The Others could have retrieved it from the real 815 shortly after the crash. Could also have been a complete phony (like the bodies). We don't know for CERTAIN yet about the one the captain had - all we know is it's a blackbox. I don't think we've seen evidence that it's THE 815 blackbox. Could be, but just throwing that out there. Slight of hand is big on this show. Correct. Pilot said they lost comm, changed course for Fiji, and were 1000 miles off course. I also am in the camp thinking Benry arranged the kills as a hit. Maybe it's freighter guys, but way too many things point to Ben. I don't know if I'd suspect Richard of pulling the trigger. He was conspiring with Locke (pointed him to Sawyer as a way to off Cooper to upstage Ben) before leaving with the Others to the temple (he's been on that Cane show in real life). The unkillable Russian is my first suspect for the man behind the trigger. We've seen that he follows Bens orders even when it involves killing teammates. Evan
Also: I believe the "old school" Others, including Richard, act with the island's best interest at heart. Jacob presumably acts as the voice/manifestation of the island, but only a very select chosen few can see/hear him - sort of like Moses and the burning bush. I believe the Others brought in Benry with the assumption that he would be the "chosen one" that would pass down the word of Jacob and help them keep the island save from exploitation (Dharma). Unfortunately, Benry is manipulating them to a degree and getting plenty on the side for himself. Locke seems to be the next in line, and would be more interested in keeping the island safe. I think there were plenty of nudges that direction last year, leading to Ben shooting him to maintain control of the Others/Island. I also think that there must be some sort of prophecy at play. All the heavy interest in island conception and birth may mean they're waiting for "the second coming" - a baby to be conceived/born on the island that will grow up to be the Island's messiah of sorts. Maybe that's Aaron (born) or it's Yi Jeon (conceived). Maybe both. Evan
Was last week's the last one, and now they're on hiatus. or will this week be the last one before the "intermission"?
