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Loser Company Tesla Repays $465 million Loan

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  1. CometsWin

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    File this under good news that conservatives hate.


    ‘Loser’ No More: Tesla Repays $465 Million U.S. Loan
    By Sam Gustin

    http://business.time.com/2013/05/23/loser-no-more-tesla-repays-465-million-u-s-loan/

    The fast-growing electric car company has repaid the entire $465 million loan it received from the U.S. Department of Energy, in a vindication for company co-founder Elon Musk, the billionaire mogul and rocket-ship enthusiast. The loan repayment, made nine years ahead of schedule, was completed Wednesday when Tesla wired $451.8 million to the federal government.

    Tesla’s loan was part of the government’s 2010 Advanced Technology Vehicle Manufacturing Program, a $25 billion fund authorized by Congress, signed by President George W. Bush, and awarded under President Obama. The loan program, which was separate from the U.S. auto bailouts to GM and Chrysler under the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), was designed to get fuel-efficient vehicles to consumers faster.

    With its loan payment, made using a portion of the $1 billion it raised last week in a stock and debt offering, Tesla becomes the only American car manufacturer in the DOE program to have fully repaid the government, the company said. “Today’s repayment is the latest indication that the Energy Department’s portfolio of more than 30 loans is delivering big results for the American economy while costing far less than anticipated,” U.S. Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz said in a statement. “Today, Tesla employs more than 3,000 American workers and is living proof of the power of American innovation.”

    The loan repayment is a major victory for Tesla, which was branded as a “loser” company by Mitt Romney during his unsuccessful 2012 Republican presidential campaign. “I would like to thank the Department of Energy and the members of Congress and their staffs that worked hard to create the ATVM program, and particularly the American taxpayer from whom these funds originate,” Musk said in a statement. “I hope we did you proud.”

    Founded in 2003, Tesla was originally funded entirely with private funds, led by Musk, a billionaire who co-founded PayPal. For many years the company struggled to gain traction, because building a car company from scratch is extremely capital-intensive. As recently as last year, Tesla was still hemorrhaging cash, losing $89.9 million in the first quarter of 2012.

    But this year, Tesla’s business has accelerated, thanks in part to the success of the company’s Model S vehicle, its most affordable offering. Tesla recently reported its first profitable quarter, and Consumer Reports gave the Model S a near-perfect rating of 99 out of 100 points. So far this year, Tesla’s stock price has soared by 171%, which helped drive the company’s recent billion dollar stock and debt offering. The company is working to bring its next car, a sport utility vehicle called the Model X, to market in the next few years.

    “My hat’s off to them,” Ford Motor executive chairman Bill Ford said at his company’s annual meeting recently. “It’s really hard to start a company, particularly in the auto business, and be successful.”

    Tesla’s loan repayment is a big boost for the still-nascent U.S. electric car industry. “While the market has taken longer than predicted to get going, sales of electric vehicles in the U.S. tripled last year and are continuing to increase rapidly in 2013,” said Moniz, the U.S. Energy Secretary. “Tesla and other U.S. manufacturers are in a strong position to compete for this growing global market."
     
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    **** Mitt Romney
     
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    Funny. I'd been hearing so much about this "Loser Tesla Company". I thought that was their name. Freakin bull**** news.
     
  5. Dairy Ashford

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    Paying off debt with stock and more debt, I think I'll just hold my powder on this one.
     
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    They were able to take advantage of a soaring stock price thanks to a short squeeze. I bwlieve a large part of their revenues comes from tax credits that people get from the goverment to buy electric cars so they are not 100% goverment independent. It is good that the risk involved in the company failing has been shifted to private investors, but that is no guarantee that this will end well.
     
  7. rocketsjudoka

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    Of course this is no guarantee this will end well but still good news. I saw a Tesla model S recently up close and it is a very good car. The price is still out of my range but I would definitely buy one if I could.
     
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    I hope this becomes a status symbol for hipster douchebags so that i can buy a cheaper model to keep up with the Joneses douchebagses
     
  9. Dairy Ashford

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    I just think profitable auto manufacturing requires massive diversification, production and promotion in a country with business-friendly labor laws; probably explains why half the domestic marques we grew up with have been shuttered and Chrysler's been passed around for thirty some odd years.
     
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    Maybe but at the same time massive diversification of product lines also causes a lot of problems such as what happened to GM. Also new technology may be able to reduce labor cost and increase efficiency.

    People have been talking about the death of the US auto industry for 40 years and it still keeps on going, although with a lot of help.
     
  11. rocketsjudoka

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    You will be required to grow a scraggly goatee and listen to the Decemberists when you drive one.
     
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    Thanks Obama.
     
  13. Baba Booey

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    I love Elon Musk.
     
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    Giving people a $7500 tax credit to buy a $100,000 dollar car. Score one for the labor party!
     
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    Do they still have tax cuts for hummers or does partisan b****ing and moaning actually work?
     
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    The technology in that $100,000 car, once it's been for paid for and properly developed, will eventually lead to $50,000, then $20,000, then $10,000 electric cars.

    of course, a proliferation of cars that cost less than $20 to power through a month, and emit emissions dependent on their power source (still much less pollutants than oil, especially in a progressive place like California), and make the United States less dependent on bats**t crazy regimes in the Middle East, is something to deplore.
     
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  17. Bandwagoner

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    False. And you are an idiot for assuming that.
     
  18. Northside Storm

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    Well, thanks for your insight, and the insult on top.

    Do you get your living off the oil industry? Are you a mechanical or electrical engineer?

    If you've ever been involved with R&D on new innovations, you'd know that's the game that is played. I have case studies, having been involved in a couple, though I'm going to assume you have more expertise if you're going to be so flippant.
     
  19. Northside Storm

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    fyi, Casey, Tesla went from a $109,000 base price model for the Roadster, to a Model S that has about a $55,000 base price with tax credits included.

    dunno if that will trigger your fight or flight response, and deluge more insults, but eh.
     
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