I think since the Rockets have drafted T-Mo and have not cut Langhi yet it is a clear sign that either: 1. THe Rockets aren't entirely sold on Anderson; and 2. Francis, and not Yo, is the GM It doesn't mean that Langhi won't be a decent player but trading a 1st round pick for a player in the second round definitely tells me that we desperately wanted T-mo. Just my $.03 ------------------
Ya i know i havent posted in a while, but i alwayz frequent tha bbs lookin for dorks that obviously post w/o actually thinking about what theyre posting. Now lets think about this. Is this due to a inferior post total? Are we just saying r****ded things so that we can propel ourselves to that coveted member status?? Well actually i dont totally disagree w/ that, because the truth is that 90% of the BBSers started out with horrible posts in order to get themselves out of the rut of being a junior member. The truth is that we take the junior members for granted, so a wild post frenzy committed to getting to member status is actually somewhat understandable. Now that said, even r****ded posts come with standards. See what so many junior members fail to realize is that nobody minds if you take a free post everyonce in a while. I mean if you look at the highest post totals on this board, take out heypartner for a second. The majority of heypartners post actually somewhat have substance or something that seems like an intelligent comment. But if you do your research, this same guy did tha silliest things to get his post total up, even setting up threads to honor OTHER BBS members for reaching member status. Thats crazy right? So why doesnt anybody say anything to that guy rite?? Well gram! heres what you have to understand, nobodys really gonna give a damn if you say happy birthday to your mom for your post, in fact, the entire BBS will pile on and wish your mother a great day as well. But heres our one requirement, when the ROCKETS are involved in your post, junior member or not, we expect to see something meaningful, with basis, and if not any of those, something thats so uncontroversial that nobodys gonna care. Are you seeing what Im telling you? See if you refer to the top of this post, you will be reminded that I do admit that junior members GENERALLY get no respect. But that said, youve gotta realize that the majority of the visitors of this site all have justifiable claims to the post of greatest rocket fan ever, and when anything about OUR team is mentioned, we make sure and pay attention. So with all of that said, lets evaluate this post of yours shall we? "'i am soo sick of hearing how "great langhi is, and how we need to play him more.'" ---Ok, its no secret that im a big langhi fan, and that i dont agree with this post AT ALL. Well everyones entitled to their own opinion, and if youve got beef w/ Langhi, i guess thats that. But the thing here is, how many people are actually on this Langhi is GREAT bandwagon? I mean, the only thing that the majority of these Langhi backers are claming is that Langhi has great POTENTIAL, and his previous career along with the great reports we alwayz hear out of the Rockets camps only supplement this claim. "'and please, stop the langhi crap, he will be the same as brice drew and matt maloney, a washout.'"--- First of all, how tha hell do you know this? Matt Maloney sucks. There i said it. But Matt Maloney played all 82 games, got the majority of our PG responsibilities, and it was all in his hands whether or not he became a 'washout'. Well apparently, he did just that, and not too many Rocket fans remorse at not having him around. So howd I get from Langhi to Maloney? How are their two stories similar? Well thats the point, the stories couldnt be any more unlike each other. Langhi hasnt been given the time to put his career in his own hands, and until he does, whos to judge if hes a washout or not? I mean does the guy have a horrible work ethic? Last I heard, Rockets elite look upon Langhi as perhaps the hardest worker on the squad. Is he so unathletic that he wont be able to stick with the studs of the league? Last I heard, this guy can jump with the likes of Stevie Francis. And to avoid the inevitable, no I am not saying he is better than Stevie, or that he can jump higher than him. Is he too costly? Come on now....So what if the guyz had a few airballs? He sits on the bench all game/season, you cant expect him to come in firing away can ya? Look although I dont agree with the notion that we should trade him, in a totally unbiased way, for tha rite price, anyones expendable. But expendability comes with reason, and simply throwing a potential talent like this away isnt justified. I mean look at jermaine oneal, hes basically a totally different player now that hes been given a chance. Maybe he wont blossom into the star we all want, but maybe he will. That should be enough for us to at least place a value on the mans services. And BTW, welcome to the board JUNIOR MEMBERS! ------------------ all players come and go, but kelvin cato will alwayz remain (on tha bench at least) [This message has been edited by jerinrulz (edited July 05, 2001).]
Actually, I think this was one of the better threads started by a junior member. He clearly stated his opinion and what the Rocket's need to do to change the situation and left it in the air. In 50% of the games he got into this year, perhaps more, Langhi showed absolutely nothing special and usually threw up an air ball or two. Soemtimes he managed not to look bad, but he definietly did not look good when he got it. Jerin - btw, it may be easier to read your post if you insert spaces in between paragraphs - i disagree somewhat. First, it seems as if there are plenty of BBSers who honestly think Langhi already is, right now,the real deal and should be starting, hence the whole heyp bet thing. Personally, I disagree. I also dont even think he has as much GREAT potential anymore. Last year, yes. But he has done nothing to keep me excited. As I've mentioned, his actual gametime performances have not had GREAT potential written all over them. And as someone mentioned above, the drafting of both Griffin and T-Mo, with the possiblity of resigning Anderson, and the likelihood of keeping Walt to finihs out his contract, makes me believe the Rockets also do not see Langhi as their starting, or even backup, SF of the future at all. ------------------ I hope, when they die, cartoon characters have to answer for their sins. [This message has been edited by JayZ750 (edited July 05, 2001).]
I respectfully disagree. I think we may see lineups in our not too distant future that put Morris at the 2, Langhi at the 3, and Griffin at the 4. All three guys are valuable because they can play multiple positions- a quality that Rudy apparently covets. ------------------
I would liken Dan Langhi to a poor man's Dirk Nowitski...albeit a VERY poor man's Dirk Nowitski...... Anybody know if Danforth can play D? Also, he will probably continue to play the 12th man role because Rudy loves him. Walt will play his last season in Houston this year, then Langhi will grab his minutes. I don't expect the Rockets to bring Shandon back simply because he's asking for way too much money. I think he'll probably get more minutes than Morris this year, but less than the Wiz. Eventually, with Griffin getting 38-40 min a night (in a year or two) Morris and Langhi will have to battle it out for playing time. ------------------ "Oh No..." -Bill Walton in 97 just before Stockton's buzzer beater
You could be right and in actuality it would be a very interesting line-up. I dont think we will see it much next year though, cause Walt is really just a better pure shooter than Langhi at the moment. If Dan can hang around as a 12th man for another year or two, grabbing more and more minutes, he may eventually develope into a nice backup SF for this team. ------------------ I hope, when they die, cartoon characters have to answer for their sins.
one factor that has not been addressed on this thread is that shandon's natural position is NOT SF, but SG. remember, he used to be the starting SG with cuttino coming off the bench. he started playing SF to give cuttino more playing time and to shore up that weak position. i want shandon to come back. i think he is an important part of the team, and really solidifies the SG and SF positions. let's face it, until EG, T-Mo, or Langhi show us something, we got nothing at that position except shandon anderson and potential. if we keep him, he goes back to playing more SG and allows us to take our inexperienced, error prone rookie SFs out of the game at clutch time. ------------------ [This message has been edited by buffalospeedway (edited July 05, 2001).]
hey like I said, thats fine if you dont believe in langhi. But as you said about the whole heyp bet thing, they believe he should be starting. Why exactly is that? Why arent the same things being said about our main man Jason Collier? Isnt that the position that we're severely deficient at? Isnt that our first round pick? Why wasnt that bet about Langhi AND Collier?? That bet was placed because of the great potential that Langhi's asset puts out there. What grand playing time exactly are you talkin about? the guy gets like the last 20 seconds of tha half and we're like woah! terrence morris is less proven than langhi is, griffin isnt gonna get 30-40 mins or anything, and i think chances are that we try to get rid of Walt or we bench him. If you actually give Langhi a shot, whos to say hes not going to be the one that the Rockets drop Shandon for? and about that being one of the best posts.......its one thing to air your opinion, thats completely OK, but to insult w/o reason isnt rite. ------------------ all players come and go, but kelvin cato will alwayz remain (on tha bench at least) [This message has been edited by jerinrulz (edited July 14, 2001).]
The guy is going to be like Maloney and Drew why? Because he's white!? I love how people are suddenly ready to dump Langhi. 6-10 SFs don't grow on trees and he and Griffin could cause nightmares for opposing SF. Morris can play some time at the 2-guard, OR Langhi can play some time at the 2-guard because he has the speed, ball-handling, and perimeter game to play that position. You don't just dump a talented player for no reason! I'm glad you guys weren't around for Gary Payton, because the guy averaged like 6 to 8 points his first year, and that was with good playing time! It takes some people longer then others to develop, and Langhi has shown he has the skills, he just needs the physical and mental maturity, and playing time to shine. ------------------ "Win if you can, lose if you must but always cheat!" - Jesse Ventura
Wow this has turned out to be a good debate! Let's consider the facts now - are Rudy and CD the type of people who would just dump a guy like Langhi after just 1 season of drafting him? Nope. Room or no room, Langhi will most likely be resigned, even if it means an excess number of players at the SF position. ------------------
When I said "if he can play SG" in my post I meant if he was physically able to play SG not if he was given a chance to play (I believe that is what you read from it...thus the crack smoking comment). Have you seen the guy play? He moves pretty well and is far more athletic than Bull and Willaims. BTW Langhi played some PG in high school. Also, T-Mo has done nothing but everyone is giving him a roster spot already. ------------------
hey i would use him as trading bait but it hink we shouldtest hm against t-mo if t-mo works out i think we shouldn't let him waste his time here. give langhi walt cato and shandon and see if we can get ourselves a center.... we need a giant and y'all know it too.... i'd even see if we could get lorenwoods but we should test them out before jumpin any rocket tradin engines.... we're only gettin better from here on with a solidified starting lineup of franchise mobley griffin and motay and dream just need to work on the bench and see if we can get a giant to work for us... let's see if lanky got any bigger too ------------------ "Wahooo"-homer I'm not only a fan but I'm also the bartender at clutchcity chat For the last time I'm not Tybrave!!!!!
I always thought heyp was smart enough to know not to bet on someone starting just on potential alone. This rarely happens, and even less often with Rudy. Most players start because they are good, not because they will be in a year or two. Regardless, we obviously have a difference of opinion on Langhi. With time, I believe he may amount to something, but nothing GREAT. Jigga who?!? You really lost me here. How did I insult you? What exactly are you talking about? I am confused. ------------------ I hope, when they die, cartoon characters have to answer for their sins.
I agree with buffalospeedway (great moniker btw). Shandon is not a 3, and if stays will merely backup Mobley. T-Mo has shown no reason to consider him ahead of Langhi in development. Griffin will likely play some 4 this year. I see a great log jam for T-Mo more than Langhi. T-Mo likely has confidence problems that Rudy will probably stroke. T-Mo has something to prove, but sometimes that attitude backfires if you get off to a bad start in your NBA career, becoming exacerbated instead. I expect Rudy to stroke T-Mo and not play him much this year. There is no way Langhi does not get his chance first, ahead of T-Mo: he is taller; he is a leaper; he had a pure shot in college. What is T-Mo: he is shorter; he is a leaper; he had a pure shot his sophmore year. What does T-Mo have that Langhi doesn't?!. Speed/Defense? Oh yeah, like Rudy is going to play another Shandon. If T-Mo doesn't find his shot, he won't play next year. case closed on that.
LOLLLLL man im not sayin you insulted me. hahaha thats hilarious....no i was sayin that gram! was clownin on langhi w/o justifyin it... ------------------ all players come and go, but kelvin cato will alwayz remain (on tha bench at least)
jerinrulz, The bet was not about Langhi starting. That is a myth. It was about whether we would solidify the SF spot before the PF/C. Langhi role in the 1st game of the year was merely a tie-breaker should no definitive quote from Rudy materialize regarding a new SF being our future at that position.
yo man i dint even kno, i was just goin off of what JayZ told me. I was just making the point that theres a reason many believe he should get a shot at starting. ------------------ all players come and go, but kelvin cato will alwayz remain (on tha bench at least)
With the new zone defenses coming this next season I don't think the rockets have enough 6'11 athletic pure shooters who can shoot in halfcourt sets. We may see lineups with Langhi at the 3, Morris at the 4, and Griffin at the 5, we could post Griffin and spread Langhi and Morris on either side of the 3 point line to shoot over the zones. I think Langhi is very valuable to this team and needs to be given a chance. ------------------
jump shooter, T-Mo will not be in those line-ups until he proves to Rudy that he is a pure shooter again like his sophmore year. imo, T-Mo has a lot to prove, and Rudy will not lay any heavy pressure on him. Count on Langhi off the bench first, in all line-ups.
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