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Long, worthwhile read on Katrina & 9/11

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Chance, Sep 10, 2005.

  1. flamingmoe

    flamingmoe Member

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    I am in shock - Bush took responsibility for something!

    Maybe there is hope yet?

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/katrina_washington
    President Bush said Tuesday that "I take responsibility" for failures in dealing with Hurricane Katrina and said the disaster raised broader questions about the government's ability to respond to natural disasters as well as terror attacks.

    "Katrina exposed serious problems in our response capability at all levels of government," Bush said at joint White House news conference with the president of
    Iraq.

    "To the extent the federal government didn't fully do its job right, I take responsibility," Bush said.
     
  2. giddyup

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    Well, all "tribes" are not the same.

    I don't get your hesitancy here. From the little I know of you here, you would be in the good Tribe.

    Are you a wolf in disguise? :D
     
  3. Rocket River

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    I was referring to the Early part of the Blog.

     
  4. Chance

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    Man, the part you quote is one of the parts that rings truest, to me. In fact I think he hit the nail on the head.
     
  5. Rocket River

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    Thanks. . it means alot. . . [not joking]

    I beleive that someone folx in the BAD TRIBE
    are not there by a conscious decision . . but by circumstances

    Like. . . liking OPERA. . . it is a choice
    BUT . . . I think how you raised influences your tastes
    somewhat . . . .
    If everyone around you loves OPERA. . . it does not mean
    you will . . but it definately may influence your choices

    MY PERSONAL Philosophy
    is that BAD FOLX EXIST . . because GOOD PEOPLE ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN

    I beleive that 90~99% of the people
    if given a chance would be either 'Sheep' or 'Sheepdogs'
    I think Wolves are more sheepdogs with RABIES
    Rabies being the disease whose symptoms are Hopelessness
    helplessness, poverty, self esteem issue and various other
    problems that lead to hatred and vile behavior

    The Wolves can be converted. . but it takes time and effort
    moreso
    than it would take to prevent them from getting there in the 1st place

    Rocket River
     
  6. Rocket River

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    I guess you are part of the MY TRIBE

    Rocket River
     
  7. Chance

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    I don't get it.
     
  8. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

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    I figure you Associate your self with HIS TRIBE . . his MY TRIBE
    and
    those that are not like you or YOUR TRIBE
    must be those OTHER FOLX

    I can easily sit here and say . . . I am all that is good
    and anyone not like me. . not thinking like me. . they are all bad

    Which is kind of what I got from that section of the peice
    Basically . . . .
    If this Blogger was born and raised in the same environment as those
    people. . . he would not be blogging .. he'd more than likely
    be reacting like they are. . . . . .

    I beleive in Nuture over Nature. . .
    I don't think this author credits the nuturing environment
    of his upbringing as much as he should. . . . .
    While
    He does acknowledge that no one is BORN bad
    it isn't genetic. . . I don't think he acknowledges
    the effects of environment on these and other folx.
    including himself. . . . .

    I think it is a bit . . dismissive to simply point at the actions
    and say . .BAD FOLX . . .. look over their lives
    see what made them that way . . then correct those events
    to prevent others from being made

    If you don't want no more guns. . you don't pick up the guns
    on the streets . . .you close the Factory.

    Their is .. . in a social sense. . a THUG FACTORY at work
    in various areas of our society and we need to find out
    how it works. . why it is working and SHUT IT DOWN

    Simply point at the thugs and inprisoning them will not keeps
    Thugs off the street . . .. close the Factory . . and we will
    see less of them . . .

    Rocket River
     
  9. FranchiseBlade

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    While terrorism is a threat, it turned out a natural disaster was a worse threat. Bushed made a judgement call, and that judgement was wrong, and people have died as a result.

    I don't put all the blame at Bush by any means of the imagination. The fact that NOLA wasn't better prepared lies on the heads of NO and LA. The fact that efforts to help the people who were stranded there turned into such a disaster I put on the heads of the federal govt.

    FEMA's major mistakes have been well documented. Regardless of what state and local govts. should have done before turning away supplies, fuel, ordering people to move to a certain area while telling them that they would receive help there, and then not delivering the help is huge.

    The problem isn't blaming Bush, it is fighting over who gets the blame. At every possible level of govt. there were huge errors, and as a result people died.

    This did more physical damage, and possibly more damage in loss of human life than 9/11. Bush got the priorities of FEMA wrong.

    I will say for Bush it isn't directly his fault. He wasn't making the decisions of FEMA or homeland security. But they are his appointees and and the ultimate responsibility does fall on the commander and chief.

    The talk about getting welfare recipients to take responsibility for getting their lives together rigns hollow when it comes from an administration that hasn't taken responsibility for countless mistakes they have made, and have in turn attacked those that had the nerve to point out their mistakes.
     
  10. giddyup

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    See here's the problem: did Bush move that cabinet position all by himself or did others, many others in fact, agree with him and actually vote to move it?
     
  11. FranchiseBlade

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    There isn't a problem there at all. Those who agreed to move it, were wrong as well. It is still a problem that they moved it, but not that others were involved in it.

    I am happy to read that Bush has taken responsibility on this one. IT was a long time coming, but it feels good to see it acknowledged.
     
  12. giddyup

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    Well can you at least call for their public flogging? :)
     
  13. Chance

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    At what point do we hold the thugs accountable? When do we stop giving them a pass of "society made me this way"? Doesn't that devalue the amazing stories of people that rise out of poverty into prosperity?
     
  14. Uprising

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    Great post CHance. Damn that was a long read, but it was a good one. Interesting take by the writer....the Tribes thing.
     
  15. Sonny

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    Chance - I watched part of Dr. Phil with my wife last night about "rescuing the rescuers" in New Orleans. The NOPD Police Chief Eddie Compass is an amazing guy. They worked tirelessly without being able to find out if their family or their home had survived. It was eye opening. They didn't leave the city, they stayed and protected it the best they could. I was very impressed. The media is NOT doing them any justice.

    link

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    yes I know I admitted to watching Dr. Phil... I will watch nothing but sports for a week as punishment.... ;)
     
  16. Bullard4Life

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    Chance, thanks for the post, this was interesting read.

    A few thoughts first. Did anyone kinda feel like the blogger was an arm chair quarterback? Either he had watched Nicholson's monologu from 'A Few Good Men' one too many times (You want me on that wall, you NEED me on that wall!), or he's one of those guys who watches the History Channel and wishes he could have been alive to fight WWII. I mean, the guy comes across a little overly dramatic. He seems to me to almost glorify times of crisis because they are a chance to "rise to the occassion." Second. how can you claim that Condolezza Rice is one of the most capable people on the planet? What has this woman EVER done that makes her seem competent other than stabbing people in the back to quickly climb the ladder at Stanford?

    As for the overwhelming point of the article, I really don't see where he's going or what larger point he's making. Yes, we need enforcers to protect us from those who would want to do us harm, but what is it about being 'pink,' a thinly veiled euphemism for liberal, that makes you more capable of rising in times of crisis? Why is it that liberals are always wimps and conservatives are ass-kickers that get things done? I think this article is more about a middle-aged guy going through a Hemingway-esque crisis over a perceived loss of manhood than a real point that gives any helpful insight to anyone.
     
  17. Agent94

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    So are there 2 kinds of people (pink, grey) or are there 3 kinds of people (wolves, sheep, and sheepdogs)? Or are there 6 kinds of people (pink, grey) * (wolves, sheep, sheepdogs). :) I say there are 3 kinds of people in this world those who can count and sheepdogs.
     
  18. Rocket River

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    You hold the accountable at every point
    however. . don't act like they just APPEARED out of no wear
    or
    that they were BORN that way

    Can we celebrate those that rise
    without denegrating those that don't?


    Someone is a thug treat him like a thugs. . .
    he/she is here. . not much to do with them but Deal with them
    but
    please learn to understand them . .so you can prevent
    more of them from being created

    Rocket River
     
  19. SamFisher

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    Is it fair? I don't know. Is it any more useful or scientifically valid as classifying people as dog people or cat people or by their shade of lipstick or their year of birth according to the chinese zodiac? Not that I can tell at present. Do I generally think that black and white classifications like that are oversimple and lead to error, as somebody suggested? yes.
     
  20. glynch

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    Sam, are you still on vacation in Asia? I don't know how you had the patience to wade thorugh that.
     

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