[Long-winded Rant] South Africa: An Omen For America?

The violence and poverty was/is going to happen. As soon as one group (whites) stripped the majority (blacks) of all rights, responsibilities and ensured they were subjects; it was inevitable that when the whites were forced out, there would be an absolute collapse and that isn’t the fault of the black South Africans.... that is 100% the fault of the whites that exploited a nation of people.... that needs to be acknowledged and accepted as a premise.

Having said that, that fact doesn’t change the situation that South Africans are in now. You better believe there is hatred by a majority of black South Africans against their former masters and resentment of the fact that whites in SA still have more than their black counterparts.

Things are going to get worse in SA. There is no infrastructure and no skilled or educated work place. The investment from the West is unfairly low, and the Chinese investment is a massive mistake. It is hard to blame SA for voting for and supporting taking back land... I said it would happen some time ago... however it doesn’t help SA.

Also I find it odd that conservatives are throwing a fit about SA and have no issues with Israeli encroachment and taking back land they supposedly lost thousands of years ago.... same with liberals supports SA actions but strongly anti Israel.

 

My guess is that in Texas it’ll likely be Mexicans that take dachudas land, not people of African descent.

 

I don't live in Texas or own land. But nice try at projecting your fantasy.

 

Except a lot of people are ignoring farmers who have been there for many generations and did not steal land. They are being asked to pay for things their ancestors may have done or are percieved to have done. Some of these were likely empty plots of land as well. It isn't like all of these issues were the same, clear cut bad white man stealing land off some poor black farmer. This is a complex issue, which some of it goes back a long time before this 1914 land act people keep talking about. This is why it is an issue for the courts. I am not against making things right when someone can stand trial. A society must have laws at the end of the day, and when you start changing the law to steal land then I have an issue. One of the primary roles a government has is to ensure private property rights, and when that is thrown out the window to appease a voting base, then there is an issue. And don't think this won't lead to more problems than it solves.

Also this land will be given to friends of the political party in power, or even sold to large corporate farming operations by the people they give the land to who likely don't even have the skills to farm in such a harsh land. Zimbabwe keeps being cited for a reason. People don't just steal land to help poor people. This is nonesense to drum up support. This is the kind of stuff Hitler did. Feeding off mass resentment to demonize a class and steal their property. Or think about Communist and Socialist regimes. They also begin taking away private property rights. This will lead no where good. People will see SA face a food crisis, or if they do give it to poor people they will sell the land off to large farming corporations for a quick dollar.

 

Ouch.

 

Who cares?

 

This thread has more liberals licking their chops at the thought of violence against white people than sensitive conservatives. It's not comparable to the Israel Palestine situation because these "horrible whites" are the ones who brought modern farming techniques, organization, health care, sanitation and infrastructure to the area. Colonialism has it's pro's and con's which liberals reap the advantages of, even exploit, but never point out the realities of pre colonial life in these places.

 

I will just say that this isn't the law. It isn't to just randomly kick farmers off their land because they are white. It's never been a blanket "If you are white you must give up your property," thing.

So further comparisons in your post to Hitler just don't hit here. Because Hitler did take private property away from Jews, he took everything away from Jewish people. Whites in SA are still doing very well. Don't let Lauren Southern fool you. There's no genocide going on. Plenty of violence, but there's 0 evidence that it is racially targeted.

I can go to a random trailer park in America and create a story that fits my narrative and boom it out to the world...and you know what? Many of those people will mumble and complain that it's some other group of people as to why they are in trailer parks.

This is such a racist talking point lol.

You're making a rather wild assumption that if people weren't left alone that they could not have done anything by themselves. But I mean, expected, from the guy that asked me "Could black minds build America?"

 

It is based on fact, something you try to skirt around. It is not exclusive to Africa either, wherever colonials went, they brought certain aspects of infrastructure, medical procedures and organization that allowed a society to progress. Many African novels highlight this fact and lament the warring nature of different tribes, toxic masculinity and overvaluing of "physical" strength as reasons the tribal chiefs made deals with the West to begin with. One can argue not everyone wanted progress, and that's understandable, but to pretend like Western civilization didn't have scientific merit is doing yourself a disservice.

 

Is this a parody post? What is it that you do for a living, exactly?

 

I live abroad bro and can go where I please. I ain't sad. lol.

 

Changing laws to steal property is just a short step to take and opens the flood gates for more. First they will go for a few farms, then more to come. Once you let this genie out of the bottle, it is not going back in. This scenario repeatedly has played out throughout the world. I suggest you go read some history, instead of trying to run PR for the next socialist hell hole. Also you need to learn more about Hitler, who was a master of the tactic of demonizing hate toward a minority group. This comparison is more relevant than ever. And yes I am aware Hitler took everything from people. That is what private property is. Everything you own. Hitler in fact didn't just limit himself to Jews. He targeted a number of other groups as well. None of that happened over night though. It was gradual. Kind of like how if you put a frog a pot of hot water, he will jump out. But if you turn the heat up slowly, he will stay without realizing the heat is too much until it is too late. My point is, this is where it starts. It is a red flag and I still maintain it should be handled in court and if it can't be fixed there, so be it. Property rights are essential and must be preserved for a country to be stable and to prevent the authorities from sliding down a slippery slope of escalating confiscations. And don't think this will stop with white people. It will move on to other groups based on religious/philiosophical/political thoughts as well.

 

I hate Texas tbh, I just thought it was funny.

MF too hot here. Hope to live with abroad like you one day in breezy Kekistan.

 

You should read a book called Guns, Germs, And Steel.

I think colonialism has hampered development, not helped, especially since European powers of then were far more concerned with bleeding resources and stealing than helping. That's pretty clear to me.

It's a true post based on facts.

 

I'm pretty familiar with history which is why I'm not worried about this. Land Reform/expropriation isn't some radical thing that's never been done before and always results in Zimbabwe.

The Hitler comparison is bad because Jewish people didn't colonize Germany and then brutalize German people for decades in the first place. A huge part of this whole thing is again, giving justice to those who were previously kicked off of their land.

Also, again, this isn't an 'If you are white then you must give up your private property' law. You keep saying things like you think it is, but it isn't. It is "If you're on land that was taken during apartheid then you may have to give it up." and yes, they do this through the courts. The Nazi's just straight kicked Jews out of anything they had. Homes, stores, whatever, took their money, their possessions, whatever, and flatly told them to go. This isn't that.

The interesting thing to me is that the UN is very cautious about potential genocides and they don't seem to think one is happening or going to happen in SA...I think, if the concern is for genocide, we should probably focus on groups actually going through one...like the Rohingya or what's going on in Sudan.

 

This is what the folks that keep pushing the false narrative like @dachuda86 refuse to acknowledge. They work to try and twist thing to fit their narrative, but in the end, what you are talking about here doesn't ever change.

 

Yeah, I think I'm pretty much done here. I need to learn to stop repeating myself.

If your sources are Lauren Southern (A woman obsessed with keeping brown people out of Europe. So much so that she decided to spend her free time trying to scare refugee boats away from Europe) and Black Pigeon, who I've already discussed here...then I'm not sure there is much I can say to sway a person away from propaganda.

My thoughts on this are that I wish SA wouldn't change their constitution. I think they should continue with the system they have even if it is slow.

But, it's their country. If they don't do it violently and that's what the people vote for...then I really really DGAF.

What's interesting to me is the OP is a big nationalist guy so I'm curious as to why he cares about this at all. I mean, as a nationalist, he should encourage countries to mold themselves into whatever they want to be and not concern himself with them. It's very globalist of him to concern himself with South Africa and tell the South African people what they can and cannot do.

 

I was done on this issue a long time ago. I see no reason to discuss the issue with anyone who would support stealing land from citizens based on the color of their skin or punishing citizens based on the "crimes" of their ancestors.

I highly doubt those same people who defend the racist actions by the South African government would be okay with the government taking their homes and giving them to a random native American without giving them any compensation which means their opinions about what is happening in South Africa is invalid.