http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4660391.stm In the name of God, the merciful, the compassionate, may peace be upon the cheerful one and undaunted fighter, Prophet Muhammad, God's peace be upon him. Nation of Islam and Arab nation: Rejoice for it is time to take revenge against the British Zionist Crusader government in retaliation for the massacres Britain is committing in Iraq and Afghanistan. The heroic mujahideen have carried out a blessed raid in London. Britain is now burning with fear, terror and panic in its northern, southern, eastern, and western quarters. We have repeatedly warned the British Government and people. We have fulfilled our promise and carried out our blessed military raid in Britain after our mujahideen exerted strenuous efforts over a long period of time to ensure the success of the raid. We continue to warn the governments of Denmark and Italy and all the Crusader governments that they will be punished in the same way if they do not withdraw their troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. He who warns is excused. God says: "You who believe: If ye will aid (the cause of) Allah, He will aid you, and plant your feet firmly."
Let me ask you this question again, has the war in Iraq made Americans and their allies safer (at home, in Europe, or anywhere else) or not?
No, but it's cost us billions of taxpayer dollars that could have otherwise been use to boost our economy and provide tax relief to middle-class American.
why are you intentionally twisting his words like that? All he said was that Bush's way isn't working. Why is it so hard to understand for a native speaker? On a side note, my wife just told me that two of our close friends are on vacation in London now, just exactly like we had friends in NYC in 9/11. We just pray that they are well, so as others in London.
Im not twisting his words wise guy....he is clearly insinuating that Bush is ultimately at fault for these attacks because we are attacking Iraq.
I did not say in any way that Bush is "responsible" for the attack. What I did say is the Iraq War waged by Bush and Blair has not made "us" (Americans and Brits) safer by diverting the much needed resources from fighting the real War on Terror.
If Iraq has nothing to do with the war on terror...the why the hell are these jerkoffs demanding that we and others pull our troops out of Iraq or they will bomb again?
Bush has much to answer for. If Hell exists, he'll be having a long conversation with the Devil when he dies of old age. But is he to blame for this? No, of course not. Keep D&D Civil!!
As Deckard says, keep D&D civil. If some guy's relatives may be in danger, wish him well and sh*t the hell up. Now is just not the time to badger him about his politics. "Oh! Your familiy may be in danger? See I told you so! Bush caused this when he invaded Iraq!"
Thanks to Bush and Blair, Iraq has now become a hotbed of terrorism, while before the military "intervention", it was not. Are you glad we are fighting terrorists on more fronts than we did before the Iraq War?
Except these guys are killing in the name of Islam. They are trying to say that Muslims are victims of Zionists (a religious issue) in order to rally the troops and as excuses for these bombings. "Islam" may be pure and good; unfortunatly those terrorists are not pure and good and are hijacking the religion.
All due respect to langal for his sentiments regarding basso's family and the families of others there, but I brought up Bush, Iraq, and his absurd tax cuts in the same post with which I gave my concern to basso. This is D&D. We monkeys may put aside the poo we were about to fling with our left or right hands, depending on where we lean, to make a personal remark such as some of us have made here, but be prepared to duck shortly after! Keep D&D Civil!!
Late to the party, but I just got time now to visit the D&D... Let me just say how horrifying this stuff is, it's absolutely horrifying how these murderous thugs are capable of committing these acts in the heart of a city like London, which by all accounts is as secure, if not more so, than any American city. My condolensces go out to the people affected by these barbaric acts and their families. It is cowardly to attack civilian targets and inflict pain on people who have done nothing to deserve it, even if they supported their government's decisions to invade or attack other countries. Islam is VERY clear about the rules of engagement in warfare (in fact, it was the first to ever institute a code of conduct in wars): you only engage those carrying arms against you, and you spare every woman, child, and man who are not carrying arms against you. I am glad the various Muslim groups are quick to condemn this, because whether they like it or not, there are many people/groups out there who would take any opportunity like this to spread bigotry and hatred and even encourage terrorism against Muslim inhabitants in Western countries. The reaction is always the same and rather predictable (including some on this board): it must be Islam that these terrorists are reacting this way, even though the vast majority of the people targeted by their terrorism ARE Muslims (check the daily attacks in Iraq, the beheadings, etc.). As for defending "Islam", Islam needs no defending, I don't consider those terrorists to be following "Islam" even if they think so (although they can be easily refuted). There are no "Islamic" states (or at least countries that describe themselves as such) beyond the self-labeled Saudis and Iranians, just like the West aren't called "Christian" states. It might shock some of you, but the majority of the Arab world has secular governments that not only are not Islamic, but in fact oppress Islamic groups within their countries (do some research and you will see what I mean). Anyways, I don't want to turn this into yet another thread about "Islam" and how violent or peaceful it is, because people are predisposed to believe what they already think they know, despite the fact that they know little or next to nothing about the subject to begin with, although it is always easier I guess to be lazy and just accept what someone else tells you about any given subject. No one needs to "prove that Islam is a peaceful religion", as someone has already said on this board, because we already know the answer, and it's on others to learn the truth for themselves, or otherwise just believe whatever the hell they want to believe, since nothing can change their minds anyways. I will address the terrible policies of the British government when it comes to harboring terrorists, extremists, and criminals at another time. Meanwhile, it is a sad, sad day. The death toll will probably rise a bit further throughout the days to come. I hope our government is taking the necessary steps to secure our homeland in light of this, and hope we haven't drained our resources already overseas without much left to defend the most important place of all: home.
Well I apologize for not being "politically correct" in D&D at this time. I feel the hate, err heat, coming towards my way. And I probably deserve it.
What do you do when they raise the terror level, T_J? Run off to Home Depot to buy more plastic sheeting and duct tape? The terror warnings done by the Department of Homeland Security are beyond silly. They are absolutely worthless. Why? Because each color code doesn't tell us what we need to do, or what we need to avoid. They're just color coded anxiety indicators.
