London bombings - Reaction from Islamic states

I don't know where you saw the coverage, but Madrid was, and is, a huge event, that received massive coverage. I understand your point about that many Iraqis dying almost every day, it seems, but you make a poor attempt in supporting it by trying to marginalize any terrorist act. They are all horrible, unspeakable acts targeting the innocent.

Trader_J, how's it hangin'? Still up to the usual, I see.


Keep D&D Civil!!

 

Im not marginalizing any terrorist acts. Infact, I believe that they should get more coverage. Because more than likely, the attacks in London wont garner the same coverage in Saudi, or any Middle Eastern Country as an attack in Palestine or Iraq would, and unfortunately we have the same bias in our media. Our media wouldn't hype up an attack in Peshawar or Dhaka nearly as much as one in London, or say any other Western Country.

While many of you are 100% sure that these terrorist attacks are done only by muslims towards nonmuslims, these same type of people also attack MUSLIMS in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Afghanistan, and other Muslim countries. Its just sad that there isnt nearly as much emotions from people like us, when those attacks happen, but all our emotions let loose when another western country is hurt.

 

Why should the arabs finger themselves into a war that has nothing to do with anyone but America?
To get their people slaughtered more than they already are?

 

Why do you hate Mike James? I just can't get past that part

 

If I was the Egyptian President, I would have put at least 50k "Sa'qa" forces on the ground, and inflitrated the whole damn country with Egyptian Mukhabarat. I am extremely disappointed in the fact that there aren't Arab forces in Iraq acting independently from the coalition forces (which I believe what the Saudis offered at one time: a Muslim coalition peacekeeping force in Iraq that would operate independently from the coalition forces, but it was quickly shut down), with their sole purpose being the maintenance of law & order in Iraq, as well as training/rebuilding the Iraqi military/police. I think those are jobs that would be a lot better done if the Arabs took charge of it.

But what can I say? It's all politics man, they are afraid of the public perception of "aiding" the occupation of Iraq. As far as I know, the Egyptians and the Jordanians have offered to train Iraqi security forces, but their offer hasn't been taken up by the Bush administration as of yet, although it would speed up the training of the Iraqi forces AND, most importantly, would offer a full-course, unhurried training to these guys, which is not happening in Iraq right now as the American generals are under instructions to speed up the process, which leaves the Iraqi forces ill-trained and not ready to confront the terrorists in Iraq targeting Iraqis and disturbing the peace, as well as the trouble-making militias that have virtually entire towns under their control.

 

Well, thats exactly why no one wants to touch Iraq, because Al-Qaeda would use anythinga anti muslim to kill anyone.

IT wasnt a world problem, till the UNITED STATES MADE IT ONE, and FORCED others into the problem. The Saddam Hussein part coulda waited, atleast until all the US forces were out of Afghanistan, heck, it coulda waited until the US was prepared to attack Iraq, and not just attacked for the sake of attacking another country while they were already in the neighborhood.

 

Oh come on adeel. You know well that terrorism has been vibrant in some countries in the Muslim world, AND directed against Muslims if I might add, for over quarter of a century now; Arab governments certainly have battled extremist groups for a long, long time (granted, usually it was for their political opposition to those established regimes, which resulted in government crackdowns, and in response those groups carried terrorist attacks/assassinations against regime officials, as well as in public areas where many civilians were killed/injured).

The only difference is they were crushed by the Arab governments, because Arab regimes had no reservations about using brutal means to suppress them. In fact, in many Arab countries today (especially in North Africa), just having a long beard would get you stopped and questioned by the authorities in Egypt, Jordan, or Morocco.

I do, however, understand your point about how Iraq in fact did increase terrorism aroud the world (according to US gov't itself) and has forced some countries that are contributing troops to the war effort there to be on the radar screen of Al-Qaeda now, which is never a good place to be (ask the Spanish or the Americans, and now the British).

BTW, did anyone else notice the "Denmark and Italy will be next" remark by the Al-Qaeda statement that was released? I wonder what kind of reaction those governments will have to the Al-Qaeda statement

 

I never understand why Bush attacked Iraq so soon. Saddam Hussein was well contained and they could remove him whenever they wanted, ONLY AFTER Al-Qaida and OBL are eliminated. Instead, they invaded a country before finishing the most important job. In basketball, that was a typical ill-advised shot. Terrible timing, totally wrong order. I can't care less the reason Bush made up to start the Iraq war, whether it was about oil, removing Saddam Hussein or spreading the freaking freedom and democracy in Mid-East, Al-Qaida and OBL should always be the first priority. Anything else is a distraction of war on terror. That is the key here.

 

To be fair, ivanyy, the Bush administration sincerely underestimated the whole Iraq venture. The top brass honestly thought the whole thing will go smoothely and the entire mission would be over in a couple of years of low-intense fighting. That was THE mistake that was made, which made it harder to institute sound policies to confront the hell that was about to break loose in Iraq, chief among them was the disbanding of the Iraqi military, which btw ALL our Arab allies advised against, including the Saudis, Egyptians, and Jordanians.

 

Surely, Terrorism is a world problem... Creating it out of nothing, SEE: IRAQ, IS AMERICA's PROBLEM.

Sure, I support the Afghanistan war, hell ya i support wiping out all the terrorists, heck they freaking attacked near my home in Saudi. But the point is, that the Iraqi war is not anyone elses problem, because at the time the reaason was WMD, and none were found, end of story. So all that BS about Iraq being part of alqaeda and whatever else is not anyone elses problem save OURS. Atleast i have the balls to admit that OUR country made a mistake, and is not infallible.

 

Countdown to Iran is surely front center now......Rove is no doubt already drafting Bush's speech correlating 7/7 and Khomeni

 

I've been hesitant to post on this thread, having to do with one being very busy with work but also because at this point I would rather not get caught up in a search for explanations or visceral calls for revenge which when something like this happens always seems to follow.

 

This is interesting as I just saw on a TV program where an expert was saying Gitmo was bad and the type of behavior there counterproductive because if they weren't terrorists when they went there and the vast majority weren't their experience there would make them terrorists. There was no mention of London. The discussin was purely on the treatment of detainees at Gitmo.

Another example of the misguided policies of the so called tough on terrorist neocons and their felllow travellers being counterproductive n fighting terror.

 

I think that while most of these countries to some degree see it as a world problem, I think that you underestimate the degree to which many of these countries see American world hegamony (or any type of hegamony) to be a serious world problem in it's own right.

In many cases to various degrees it benifits these countries to let terrorism and American hegamony beat each other up. If you can kill two birds with one stone, why waste your own resources?

 

Apparently, according to MANY...not most, not you maybe but M A N Y muslims, the Quran DOES teach hate towards infidels

 

From what I have read, it teaches distrust, not hate, for the infidels. And the Infidels are the polytheists. Jews and Christians are not considered infidels.