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Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by srrono, May 10, 2011.

  1. A_3PO

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    He doesn't want to prove anything. Where did you even get that idea from?

    PJ has nothing left to prove. 11 championships speaks for itself. If you think an "average" coach could have done that, I guess sanity and reason aren't your thing. To each his own.
     
  2. durvasa

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    Phil Jackson joining the Knicks is what would make them loaded. Without him, they are just another mediocre EC team.
     
  3. Easy

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    YOU Rockets fans? Wow, why is your moniker "Rockets Pride"?
     
  4. Asian Sensation

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    No it's Bill Weddington, Luc Longley and Will Purdue.

    As good as Jordan was it's crazy to think Jackson was able to get it done with the centers I mentioned above playing heavy minutes when players like Robinson, Ewing, Shaq, Mourning, Mutombo and *Olajuwon* were around.

    Plus the Bulls never had a great PG or PF with the exception of Rodman for a short while.
     
  5. Merla08

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    Who were they? Lets see... what happened to Phil's Bulls when Jordan retired? Oh yea... the Rockets won 2 championships. Phil's Bulls without Jordan were mediocre and thats that they still had 95% of the same team that won them 3 prior championships.

    Shaq was already a superstar before playing for Phil and he lead the Magic to the NBA Finals in 1995. Shaq was going to win a championship with or without Phil.

    Phil is the most over rated coach of all time. Yes, he's a good coach, but he's also had the privilege to coach the greatest player of all time (Jordan), the greatest player in the NBA in the past 10 years (Kobe), the most dominant center in the NBA the past 10 years (Shaq), the greatest rebounder in NBA history (Rodman), one of the greatest defenders in NBA history (Pippen), one of the greatest foreign born centers (Gasol) and he's also been blessed with coaching extremely wealthy franchises who are heavily loved and get bull**** calls towards them because the NBA loves them (Lakers, Bulls). The Bulls and Lakers could basically attract any free agent or make a trade they wanted to at the time to play along with their stars and constantly went over the salary cap to do so (Odom, Rodman, Glen Rice, Horry, Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Artest, Gasol, etc). Any coach with some type of knowledge of basketball would've had the same success as Phil with the talent he was blessed with.
     
  6. sbyang

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    The right situation = Miami if they don't win this and next year.

    That's the perfect situation for him. If Pat Riley wasn't there he'd be the Miami coach next year (assuming they don't win this year).
     
  7. Easy

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    Saying he is "average" is pretty dumb. But I am tired of the "11 championships speaks for itself" droning. What the championships speak is that he, as a great coach, had the opportunities many other great coaches did not have.

    What he did was not average. But I believe there are other coaches who could have achieved what he did given the same opportunities.
     
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    Well they weren't and they didn't, so it's a moot point.
     
  9. apollo33

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    lol exposed
     
  10. Asian Sensation

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    Yeah.. Rudy Tomjanovich sure did really well.

    Rudy also coached a combination of the top 5 players ALL TIME at their position during his Rocket career.

    Olajuwon, Barkley, Drexler/Pippen.
     
  11. apollo33

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    Phil Jackson is not that much of an upgrade from Rick Adelman
     
  12. Scolandry

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    You mad bro?
     
  13. Shaud

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    Smart move. Imagine how big his legacy would be if he wins i New York. His legacy is already big and it would go to another level in New York.

    I don't know why you're bashing him though. He has a better chance to win one in Los Angeles than he does in New York right now.
     
  14. javal_lon

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    any coach with a ring is an upgrade
     
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    Disagree. I think Ademlman's Blazer's team was deeper and better talent all together compared to Jackson's Bulls in the early 90's.

    Adelman's Kings also had a deeper and better talent all together than Jackson's Lakers during the early 00's.

    People always credit the Jordan, Shaq and Kobe etc but Jackson is the one that led them there.

    Imagine if Adelman was somehow able to beat Jackson and the Bulls in the 90's and Lakers in the 00's. That would propel Drexler's legacy and Webber's as well.
     
  16. clippy

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    He's obviously a Faker fan masquerading as a Rockets fan, just like douchebug, YaoZow, and countless other trolls. I'm just loving the fact that they are wallowing in misery now.
     
  17. Shaud

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    After reading the article Phil didn't say anything about coaching in New York so not sure why the OP is bashing him like they have Phil Jackson quotes in there.

    Is this NY media striking again?
     
  18. real_egal

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    Why is it so hard for some random fans to give credit to great achievement from great players/coaches, just because they are not on your team, while all the good coaches acknowledging Phil's greatness?

    If PJ is not THE greatest coach in NBA history, I don't know who else is. Maybe you want to bring up Auerbach, but Phil is in moderner era and still active.

    Not everything is just subjective or personal preference. Phil will beat your candidate coach in every single possible criteria you can come up with to judge "the greatest coach".

    Sure he had great players, that's also part of the reason why he's great.
     
  19. Steve_Francis_rules

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    In what universe are the 42-40 Knicks considered loaded?
     
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    never got the criticism that other coaches *may* have been able to accomplish what Jackson did given the same opportunities. Unless you truly believe they would have accomplished *more.* Which is pretty heavy dreamcasting (do I get a donut for reviving old memes?)

    It's not all about scoreboard...but at some point, scoreboard does matter. 11 championships in 20 yrs with three different cores. The talent on the latest Lakers teams, although high, was not head and shoulders above the rest of the league. Let's see which other coaches ride Odom and Gasol to championships. What *else* would you expect from a coach?

    And if he can get success from a Carmelo/Amare Knicks (a coaching gig that's pure speculation, FWIW) you really would have to give him props. Those whining about Jackson cherry picking talent (again -- based on pure speculation by a NY reporter) must be expecting great things from the Knicks this yr.
     

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