So not being locked up before a trial is cause for celebration? Do you not understand the how the justice system works or just don't care?
According to NPR/PBS the NewsHour/Marist National Poll, Although Majority of Americans Want Trump to Drop Out of 2024 Presidential Race, Repugnants Stand Firm Behind Trump 73% of Americans, comparable to 75% in March, perceive wrongdoing in Trump’s actions. This includes 50% who say Trump did something illegal and 23% who say Trump did something unethical but not illegal. One in four Americans (25%), though, say Trump did nothing wrong. Most Democrats (78%) believe Trump broke the law, and half of independents (50%), up from 41% in March, agree. In contrast, 50% of Republicans, up from 45% in March, say Trump did nothing wrong.
No one even knows the extent of the crimes yet. If it’s known he put military/intelligence in danger those numbers will change. But we don’t know that yet.
...I don't think we can ever really know the extent of the damage this fiasco has done. Nobody's going to be as dumb as the Donald and his F Troop has been in this, and let slip where they got all their intel from. They aren't called "useful idiots" for nothing. And there are a lot of idiots loose in this country that can't wait to be used, either...
To Jail or Not to Jail Trump has been the transgressive man who dumbed down the office of the presidency. He has burrowed, tick-like, into the national bloodstream, causing all kinds of septic responses. Trump is feral, focused on his own survival, with no sense of shame or boundaries or restraint. In that sense, being a sociopath really works for him. Over time, Trump has worked to discredit and demean any institution that raises inconvenient truths or seeks to hold him accountable for his actions — not just media, but law enforcement and the election system itself. He treats classified maps and nuclear secrets and a Pentagon war plan for Iran like pelts, hunting trophies, or family scrapbook items. He’s like a child, dragging around the things that are important to him. He has spent his entire life cutting corners and dancing on the edge of legal. But Jack Smith, the special counsel, is teaching him that you can’t conduct a presidency that way.
Trump’s prosecutor faces a very high bar, and so far he has fallen short https://thehill.com/opinion/crimina...very-high-bar-and-so-far-he-has-fallen-short/
“In most criminal trials, the prosecuting attorneys have one job: to convince a jury that the defendant deserves to go to jail. Every now and then, however — maybe once in a career — they need to be able to do more than that. In highly controversial cases, or with ones that garner an unusual level of public attention, the prosecutor has a larger job: to convince the broader community that the person on trial should go to jail.” A recent poll said the first thing people think of when they hear “Trump” is “criminal.” Now, you can’t really credit that solely to the prosecutor, given Trump’s extensive history. But what’s more important is… The piece is essentially also arguing that a prosecutor should play a political role (he’s projecting), which is exactly what we don’t want. What did the prosecutor actually said publicly?: “It’s very important for me to note that the defendants in this case must be presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.”
consider the source! Mick Mulvaney is not lawyer, his layman's opinion on a legal case is worthless.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/06/19/trump-pardon-2024-republicans/ Opinion: It’s too soon for the Trump pardon sweepstakes By the Editorial Board| June 19, 2023 at 6:15 a.m. EDT Vivek Ramaswamy, a biotech entrepreneur trying to jump-start a long shot bid for the Republican presidential nomination, is challenging every other candidate to join him in pledging to pardon Donald Trump if elected. While some rivals express appropriate reticence, others rushed to declare they’d grant unconditional clemency to the former president. This is emerging as a test in the growing GOP field to differentiate brazen panderers from serious alternatives. Two Republican contenders deserve praise for not mincing words: “I can’t imagine, if he gets a fair trial, that I would pardon him,” saidformer New Jersey governor Chris Christie. “To accept a pardon, you have to admit your guilt.” Former Arkansas governor Asa Hutchinsonsaid it’s “wrong” and “offensive” to dangle the pardon power “to curry votes” because “that really undermines the rule of law.” Others are bravely resisting pressure to bend the knee. Former vice president Mike Pence said “it’s premature to have any conversation” about pardoningthe man with whom he twice shared a presidential ticket. “I can’t defend what’s been alleged,” he said. Mostly, however, GOP candidates are repeating the mistakes of the 2016 field by refusing to forcefully challenge the front-runner over behavior that is clearly disqualifying. If they won’t say it, they shouldn’t count on Republican primary voters to reach the conclusion on their own. Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said he “will be aggressive at issuing pardons” to anyone he believes was politically targeted by the Justice Department, which he said could include Mr. Trump — and Jan. 6, 2021, insurrectionists. Former United Nations ambassador Nikki Haley saidshe’s “inclined in favor of a pardon” even though the indictment paints a picture of Mr. Trump being “incredibly reckless with our national security.” If Republican candidates for president feel compelled to weigh in on the subject of politicizing the Justice Department, they should consider speaking out about Mr. Trump’s public threats to “go after” President Biden if elected by appointing a special prosecutor to charge him and his family. Advocates for promising a pardon invoke President Gerald Ford’s decision to grant one to Richard M. Nixon after his resignation. But Nixon wasn’t an active candidate promising to weaponize the Justice Department. While it ultimately helped with national healing, the pardon also allowed Nixon to rehabilitate his image and avoid full accountability for crimes he committed as president. If Mr. Trump loses in court, on appeal and at the ballot box, it would prove no one is above the law in the American system. Whoever is president might then consider offering clemency to spare the republic the indignity of incarcerating its former commander in chief. Letting Mr. Trump off the hook before that happens would inevitably lead him to falsely claim vindication, even exoneration. A pardon might become warranted if it coincides with the end of Mr. Trump’s political career. But the country is still a long way from that moment.
Yeah, I think that puts too much on the prosecutor. His job is to prove guilt in court. He should have **** all to do with the political fallout. That's for the politicians and the electorate. I think I've made a similar argument before about the Supreme Court, that they should not make history-altering decisions in the face of the clear will of the people without so much as an attempt at persuasion. But they sit in their ivory tower and do exactly that and condescend to complaints saying they aren't being political but are engaging in some philosophical exercise of the purest way to read the Constitution. I think putting the onus of convincing the public on Scotus makes some sense because they are a body of actual great political power. Jack Smith is not a justice, not even a judge, has an appointment that doesn't last a lifetime but just for this one perp, his choices don't set legal precedent, his allegations must be taken before a court to be judged and are subject to appeal even up to the Supreme Court. He is, comparatively, a nobody. But he's supposed to take the burden of the whole body politic on his shoulders? That's ridiculous.
That one time Trump wasn't lying.. “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters,” - Donald Trump Saturday January 23, 2016
If only criminal cases were decided by public polling. I get the reasoning for the poll but it's completely meaningless to reality.
He lies like most of breathe........I am sure his lawyers were super stoked about his interview last night on fox variety....Brett Baer did a pretty good job, trump of course lied and twisted words like a pretzel that made no sense whatsoever. The dude can simply not help himself, if he were smart he would STFU, but we all know that will not happen
