What the author brings up has already been addressed ad nauseum. The PRA allows for a former President access to documents but doesn’t allow them to keep those documents especially in unsecured locations. It also doesn’t allow the former president to show those documents to others. The other laws cited go hand in hand with the PRA regarding sensitive (both classified and/ or national security) documents.
Eh, I'm not too worried about mass violence, They were saying the same thing about Manhattan and that was big nothing burger. Now, as we get closer to the election I expect individual violence to rise, but I'm not too worried about a group on Tuesday. I suspect the 1/6 prosecutions and convictions have made it much more difficult to pull off violence that is large and targeted and made people more wary of joining in on something like that--plus, law enforcement knows what to look for and additional resources would be called sooner. Meanwhile, people are starting to look at the dates of the records listed in the indictment and marry that up with what was going on in the world at the time. Of course, it's just an exercise because we don't know what the stolen records document (though Jack Smith does). One can just make broad inferences at this point. Still, it's an interesting pursuit and the dates line up with various news items about relations with North Korea, phone calls with Putin, the Khashoggi assassination, and other events. It suggests (only suggests at this point) that here may be another motive that has been rarely mentioned: Trump trying to hide documents that he wanted to keep away from the government and history. His references to "my documents" adds some weight to this theory and knowing what we know about Trump and his ego, it certainly is plausible. Of course, with Trump, just about every theory of motive is plausible, including him selecting info he could use to leverage people, and it is unlikely one motive explains all of his actions. There are lots of dots to still be connected here. Anyway, here are some of the documents with news items of the day:
Legally it actually doesn’t matter what Biden might’ve said to Garland or Smith. What matters is is there the evidence there to prosecute. Ramaswamy like most of Trumps defenders is making a political argument and not a legal argument. Also as someone running agains Trump this isn’t going to help him unless his intention is to not actually win the nomination but be Trump’s VP or get some other political favor.
I've seen a couple of these but Matt Tait's seems to be the most thorough What are the Classified Documents in the Trump Indictment? https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-are-classified-documents-trump-indictment
Already addressed. There is even a PRA FAQ covering these. In addition, a cover-up involving obstruction of justice, lying, conspiracy, and tampering with evidence are very serious crimes, not just a process crime. https://www.archives.gov/press/press-releases/2023/nr23-016 Spoiler How much time do outgoing Presidents have to go through their papers to determine what to retain as personal documents? The Presidential Records Act (PRA) requires the President to separate personal documents from Presidential records before leaving office. 44 U.S.C. 2203(b). The PRA makes clear that, upon the conclusion of the President’s term in office, NARA assumes responsibility for the custody, control, preservation of, and access to the records of a President. 44 U.S.C. 2203(g)(1). The PRA makes the legal status of Presidential records clear and unambiguous, providing that the United States reserves and retains “complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records.” 44 U.S.C. 2202. There is no history, practice, or provision in law for presidents to take official records with them when they leave office to sort through, such as for a two-year period as described in some reports. If a former President or Vice President finds Presidential records among personal materials, he or she is expected to contact NARA in a timely manner to secure the transfer of those Presidential records to NARA. How does NARA store the records of an outgoing President after the end of an administration? In the past, and in accordance with the Presidential Libraries Act (44 U.S.C. 2112), former Presidents would fund, build, endow, and donate to NARA a traditional Presidential Library (NARA-operated traditional Presidential Libraries exist from Presidents Hoover through George W. Bush). Accordingly, NARA would arrange to move the Presidential records to a temporary NARA facility near the designated location of the forthcoming Library – e.g., Hoffman Estates, IL, for the records of President Obama (who subsequently decided not to build a Presidential Library for NARA, see below); Dallas, TX, for President George W. Bush; Little Rock, AR, for President Clinton. In each case, the facility was modified to meet NARA requirements for records storage and security, NARA had physical and legal custody of the records from the end of the Administration, and the temporary facility was under the exclusive control of NARA. NARA no longer expects to move Presidential records to a temporary facility outside of Washington, DC, given the relatively small volume of paper Presidential records created by recent administrations, as compared to the huge volume of electronic records and the strong interest in the digitization of paper records. In addition, the increased endowment requirements first applicable to President Obama under the Presidential Libraries Act may impact decisions by former Presidents concerning whether to build a traditional Presidential Library for NARA. Prior to the end of his administration, President Trump did not communicate any intent to NARA with regard to funding, building, endowing, and donating a Presidential Library to NARA under the Presidential Libraries Act. Accordingly, the Trump Presidential records have been and continue to be maintained by NARA in the Washington, DC, area, and there was no reason for NARA to consider a temporary facility in Florida or elsewhere. How are documents in the White House determined to be an official Presidential record or a personal record? The Presidential Records Act (PRA) defines what constitutes “Presidential records” and what are “personal records.” 44 U.S.C. 2201. Personal records include “diaries, journals, or other personal notes serving as the functional equivalent of a diary or journal which are not prepared or utilized for, or circulated or communicated in the course of, transacting Government business.” The PRA also requires that all documentary materials “be categorized as Presidential records or personal records upon their creation or receipt and be filed separately.” 44 U.S.C. 2203(b). The President does not have discretion to categorize a Presidential record as a personal record. Did President Obama take Presidential records to Chicago after he left office? No. When President Obama left office in 2017, NARA took physical and legal custody of the records of his administration in accordance with the Presidential Records Act. NARA made arrangements to move the roughly 30 million pages of paper Presidential records of the Obama administration to a federally acquired, modified, and secured temporary facility that NARA leased in Hoffman Estates, IL, which meets NARA’s requirements for records storage and security. NARA moved the records to Hoffman Estates because of the intention of President Obama to build a Presidential Library in the Chicago area. Subsequently, former President Obama decided not to fund, build, endow, and donate a physical Presidential Library to NARA (his foundation is building a privately operated Presidential Center that will not have archival storage for any Presidential records). Instead, the Obama Foundation agreed to help pay for the cost of digitizing the unclassified paper records and for the cost of moving the classified and unclassified records from NARA’s temporary facility in Hoffman Estates to other NARA-controlled facilities (for which NARA otherwise would have to pay). A September 2018 Letter of Intent from the Obama Foundation to the Archivist of the United States addresses Obama’s commitment to paying for these costs; but it in no way suggests that Obama had physical custody of any Presidential records. As NARA stated in September 2022, neither former President Obama nor his foundation “had possession or control over the [Presidential] records” of his administration. Did Presidents before Nixon have total control over their records? Prior to the Presidential Records Act of 1978, which first applied to President Reagan, all of the official records of the White House were considered the personal property of the President (from Presidents Washington to Carter). Presidents Hoover through Carter chose to donate their records to NARA, along with the Presidential Library buildings where they are stored. While these Presidents had control over their personal papers, they lacked control over the classification status of any records that were classified. The classification status of the information in the papers remained under the control of the U.S. Government. The Nixon records, including the Watergate tapes, were seized and transferred to NARA in 1974 by a federal law, known as the Presidential Recordings and Materials Preservation Act (PRMPA), 44 U.S.C. 2111, note. In response to the Nixon issue, Congress enacted the Presidential Records Act in 1978 to change legal ownership of Presidential records from the President to the United States Government, which took effect at the beginning of the Reagan administration. ....
I think choads like him hope to curry favor with Trump's loyal base and then swoop in once the dude is too legally entangled to continue (if that ever happens). Also: Spoiler
This whole thing is nonsense, but this passage is particularly egregious. The author makes a big jump from the PRA's "shall be available" to "the ex-President is absolutely entitled." Of course, the author leaves out previous sections: The designated representative is not just anyone and everyone that talks to a former President. There's a formal and legal process by which an ex-President designates a representative. It's usually one or two aides who assist the ex-President in doing the research legwork needed for memoirs. This is another example of a "norm" being thoroughly trashed by Trump. Copies of classified documents are still classified, copies of federal and presidential records are still federal and presidential records. When it comes to records and classified info under federal law, the medium is not the message, the actual message is the message. Also, this is a gray area, but some of the documents Trump kept may not even be Presidential records, as the PRA says:
I ain’t got no beef with no posters but if you think 2020 was a normal year than I ain’t got nothing else to say but ….carry on!
That’s not it man, you have it all wrong. If you hold Trump accountable then you need to hold the rest of those crooked bastards in charge accountable as well. When people see some kind fairness perhaps they will be more receptive and take you guys more seriously when it comes to Trump.
Perhaps republicans can start up investigations of Clinton's document mishandling? Oh wait, they did. Then maybe investigate Biden's mishandling of documents? Oh wait, they have. I think as soon as you come up with credible allegations where Democrats had such documents, didn't return them asked (Biden and Pence handed them over), then lied about returning them all, and moved documents around to further hide them, and literally destroying documents in order to further hide them, while showing top-secret documents to people (caught on tape)... you might haven argument.
The DOJ gave Trump the same chances and investigations they gave Biden. The only difference are the actions of Trump.
Dammit people. Joe Biden went to each of the grand jurors homes and talked to them specifically. He called them all the "Big Guy" and promised them a percentage of his illicit gains if they would just vote to indict Trump. He then shared a bowl of ice cream and sniffed their children.
I specifically answered your quote then just made a statement to two specific posters. Surely you can read?
If you watch Beau of the Fifth Column he has been saying for months this is not about classified information. It is about exactly what Trump is being charged for "Willful retention of National Defense information" Guess what dumbasses? It doesn't matter if they were marked classified or not.
“The Trump team should not fool itself. These are hits below the waterline. These are witnesses who apparently testified under oath [and] gave statements to federal investigators, both of which can be criminally charged, if they're false.” “Those witnesses are directly quoting the president in encouraging others not to look for documents or allegedly to conceal them. It's damaging,” Mr Turley said.
It's truly fascinating watching Republicans and white Americans play the victim card in America about how somehow they're being prosecuted. It's truly amazing the amount of bullshit these two face snakes get away with. Vivek is a ****ing tool and he knows damn well what he's spewing utter nonsense
Hes the guy talking about how much money he made and how much he slayed under trump when we all know he's literally making **** up. I don't get what these right wingers get from lying and pretending to be someone they're not. They're fat losers sitting at home lying in the name of MAGA. Tools
