Local (Houston) Talk Radio Host Calls for Blowing Up of Mosque

What did I say that implies I am angry?

I was speaking of the injections you were interested in. How is that going by the way? You and your friends all get together and stick each other in the butt?

 

It's about symbolism. Why didn't we just pay the victim's families to compensate for the loss and then stop there? Why try to build the ground zero memorial? Because it has MUCH MORE meaning than just a donation.

I'm not sure how to convince you otherwise that building the mosque is not representing some kind of Islam takeover. It's just something that you choose to believe. I wish someone would build a church next to the mosque. And then a jewish temple next to the church and hindu temple too. Maybe that would help out.

But to say that "don't build the mosque", can you remotely see how Muslims can see the resistance as Islamaphobia?

 

Interesting. So you avoid discussion because you realize you are unable to back up your dogmatic stance? At least you tried in the past.

I said that I consider your attitude demanding - you say people cannot discuss Islam without having studied it (in at least some depth). You have said something similar to this in numerous posts.

What gives you the right to expect people to study what YOU believe in just to have a right to discuss it?

 

I'm pretty sure that the belief is that the rivers flow with milk and honey, not alcohol.

 

Does it even matter?

It doesn't make sense to take that literally. Milk/honey/alcohol have physical properties in our world which they wouldn't have in heaven, unless Muslims believe that heaven is a physical location in our universe.

 

Isn't this in the Quran?

Re: No wine/alcohol

O you who believe! Strong drink and games of chance and idols and divine arrows are only an infamy of Satan's handiwork. Leave it aside that you may succeed.
-- Sura 5:90

Followed by:

A similitude of the Garden which those who keep their duty (to Allah) are promised: Therein are rivers of water unpolluted ... and rivers of wine delicious to the drinkers.
-- Sura 47:15
Surely the pious will be in bliss ... their thirst will be slaked with pure wine sealed.
-- Sura 83:22,25

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Admittadly I am no scholar but when I find contradictions like that......and the same for Christianity by the way.

I respect what Max has done which is basically to ignore the old testament and just focus on the life of Jesus, basically picking and choosing what is true for him.

My issue with Islam is it doesn't seem to give that same freedom, what is written is supposed to be from God, right?

And I have a very hard time believing God would contradict him/herself.....but man...yeah, we do it all the time.

DD

 

What exactly is the added meaning, other than wanting to promote Islam?

Actually, I don't know whether to believe that or not. I said initially that I don't see a problem with building the mosque. Then, when I read up on the ties between the initiator of the mosque and CAIR, and read some of the things CAIR has done and that its co-founder basically made very Islamo-supremacist statements (I have already quoted that a couple of times now), I wasn't so sure anymore if there is not at least an element of that in the initiative. I guess only time will tell, if and when it is built.

I think a religion-neutral place of prayer (this exists e.g. in airports) would be best, as it would not carry the possibility to interpret it as an "I am trying to spread my religion because it is better than yours" aspect with it.

Hmm. I can see how some might see it that way - and possibly unjustified islamophobia is the reason why some people would be opposed to the mosque. But I presented a more rational reason of why people might be opposed to the mosque. I think you can be opposed to the mosque there or at least have questions/concerns without being islamophobic. Then again, some Muslims are very quick with the accusation that someone is islamophobic, be it because of cartoons, puppy ads or whatever.

 

Every enlightenment started by offending someone....like....oh, say...drawing a cartoon of Mohammad?

GOTCHA !!!!

Come on Mathloom...don't avoid this....... 3 pts for me.......

DD

 

Uhh I'm just correcting what Dada said. He claimed that the alcohol thing was contradictory but it's not. I'm not personally saying that there are rivers in heaven (or if there even is a heaven).

Don't other religions consider heaven/hell to be physical places? I was under the impression that Christianity believed that Hell was a physical place with fire and stuff. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

Interesting statement.

So from that statement, I take it that in your opinion, should alcohol and tobacco be completely illegal in Dubai and in Turkey and in Egypt and in all other Muslim countries?

 

Christianity doesn't "allow" that freedom either. Max, and most other Christians, have taken that right and just claimed it. The Bible states that it is the word of God.

 

No, they don't believe heaven is a physical place here. The universe, as Muslims believe, is a shadow-world. As a very basic analogy, everything one sees and knows about our universe is the equivalent of a Daguerreotype from the 19th c., whereas heaven.the after-life would be watching Avatar in IMAX 3D. Yes, in this life you can see color and know about things E=MC^2 but that is only one part of the knowledge spectrum.

 

Yeah, that is correct. I think it's silly. My personal opinion is that the visual was invented to have a deterrent for socially undesirable behavior on earth.

 

DD,

I left Islam for the very reason you dislike religion.

Right now, as we speak, I reject at least 75% of Sharia.

If there is anything that brought me to where I am, it is the day I decided to prove to myself that I'm not a Muslim because of my family or nationality or whatever.

I have Salman Rushdie's books. In fact, it's a tiny crumb in the universe of things I've read about the Satanic verses. I'm sure you're unaware of where the satanic verses are mentioned in historic Islamic commentary. In fact, I don't know IF it happened, but I completely accept that it may have happened. It wouldn't be the only time the Prophet made a mistake.

In fact, what I enjoy about discussing things here is the range of views I hear, which then become a thread in another direction which I go and investigate.

My entire belief system, in fact, is centered around "if what I believe in is true, then I will never find anything to disprove it... so I'll spend A LOT of my time looking for ways to disprove it." This goes against traditional beliefs which state that bid3a/innovation are off-limits, and that questioning religion = hell.

I know it's difficult to understand exactly how different I am from, say, Osama Bin Laden. It's difficult to put a number on how much we share. I've seen that as a difficulty for some, even on this board. We don't share any ideological values except that God is one. You share that value with him as well. All 3 of us see the implications of that value differently, but it is the same value.

We should visit Yemen sometime together . It will give you some perspective lol.

 

Yep, that is true, so did every other religion throughout history.

Maybe we have a lot of Gods or one with a really good sense of humor.

DD

 

I don't know. What I meant is that I don't think the alcohol rivers that DD cited should matter, because I can't imagine that Muslims believe wine in heaven and wine in the material world are the same thing. But I'm just assuming.

 

LOL, if you want to be critical of something I would think it would be wise to study the subject matter before speaking your mind about it. Are you not studying to be a lawyer?

 

Completely off topic, but if the Rockets did somehow get Chris Bosh, your join date would be UBER impressive.

Carry on !

DD

 

i thought it was interesting too, and was bout to reply.

 

Tell that to Obama and Holder.