Local (Houston) Talk Radio Host Calls for Blowing Up of Mosque

But that's the main benefit .

 

I think you are grasping at straws here....just MHO....

p.s. Yeah, stick to basketball - it is what you know best...

 

Can Superman get drunk? What if he has a small amount of kryptonite near him (not enough to cause him pain but enough to impair his digestive/circulatory systems) while he drinks the alcohol? I think he could if he did that.

 

Of course, and this is why arguing about it is a waste of time....

You believe because...well you believe....

Nothing will change your mind, no matter how many contradictions are shown....

That is cool.....it is what faith is all about I guess, blind belief.

DD

 

Exactly.

I.e. the ban on wine/alcohol is under the base assumption that "earthly" rules are in effect.

Just like there may not be such a thing as gravity in heaven... wine may not do what wine does. It might just look awesome lol. I don't know, but main idea:

Wine here =/= wine in heaven. The mention of wine in heaven is probably significant in showing that "if you abstain from drinking on earth where it's dangerous, you'll be rewarded with WAY better wine in heaven where it's not dangerous"

 

I'm sorry man. That was one of the most weakest "contradictions" I have seen in my life. I'm just saying your argument was weak...thats all...

 

Well that's the way I look at religion. I think it's fluid. There's no absolute set of rules to follow and things to believe. There are basic things but nothing absolute imo.

 

Weaker than....well...wine in heaven is different than wine on earth?

Even though there is nothing that says this......just that...well...you think it...to make things work for you.

Yeah...ok.....this will not go well, we should just stop.

I have TONS more contradictions.....but what is the point?

How can that be? If the words are from God.....they should be absolute, right?

Or, are they just from man, who wanted something back in the day, and it just stuck around as religion?

DD

 

No, I believe that God gave us the intellect, unlike other animals, to be able to think for ourselves.

No, but that will be the widely held belief in about 100 years. Religion will be a chapter in a mythology course at some university. Dada, you would probably be teacher's pet in that class .

 

I find the inconsistencies in the statements almost as baffling as the intensity with which they are defended.

It's like...the holy book says "2 + 3 = 8" and someone will come and interpret it and say "well what it really means is 2 + 3 = 5, 8 means 5 in heaven", etc.

I can see how this would still be somewhat consistent for someone who wouldn't take things literally and just extracts some general wisdom and direction from it, but for anyone who claims that everything in the holy book is to be taken literally, it makes even less sense.

But I have no problem with that, to each their own - as long as there is no attempt to impose it on others.

 

Exactly.......

DD

 

I can understand how the victim's family would not be happy about a mosque being built near the WTC site. But ya know, this isn't about the victim's families.

New York has a population exceeding 20 million people in it's metropolitan area. It's diverse and international. And it's suppose to represent the best of American values, not the worst.

They received approval by an overwhelming majority - I think it's clear what the community there wants. It's not up to the victim's family to dictate where a muslim cultural center should or should not be built. This is America, not Saudi Arabia. It's not up to the Teabaggers to say where it should be built. They do not speak for New Yorkers...maybe they should live here a while before they tell us what to build where.

I think people here have a right to decide what their city should be, and if we want a cultural center to integrate into lower Manhattan along with other religious institutions - then so be it. I don't get why a Houston radio dj and the Tea Party that probably hates everyone in New York anyway gives a crap.

 

And where do you think do the funds for building the mosque come from?

 

People like this radio host are just idiots.

It's complete bs and completly racist.

I don't want to get into a D&D battle here, but I have no problem with the mosque, people just want to find an excuse to make muslims seem bad, when it is such a minority that are doing these things.

Terrorists are all over the world, they are jewish and christians one's as well, I don't think people would complain if it was anything other than a mosque...IMO 9/11 is still uncertain on who really was behind it, I really do believe there was an American govt motive in all of it...

I hate the D&D

 

what an assmunch

 

Would that include the Muslim victims and their families who died on 9/11? Does that include all the foreigners who were working in the WTC and died on 9/11 as well?

Building this mosque near (not in, but near) ground zero is only offensive to you personally if you are someone who equates Islam with terrorism and the actions that took place on that day. To say "what do the victims think?" is to presume that the victims were a monolithic group/race of people who are hostile to Islam and all of Muslims and equate anything Islamic (building, charity, banquet hall, school, whatever the hell else) to the attacks of 9/11. If this is the case, then it is these very people that Muslims would do well to challenge and stand up to, whether it is related to this specific mosque or not.

Like it or not, Muslims exist and do live in this country, and they are Americans just like everyone else. If you would just randomly skim through the postings and comments on news stories about this mosque, or any other mosque being built, you will immediately realize that the people who are up in arms about this (like Michael Berry) are the very people you should have scorn for. They are the type who think in terms of an "us" and a "them", meaning that they do not consider Muslim Americans to be legit Americans but just another annoying minority group that will one day "return" back to their homeland, and should be disenfranchised, marginalized and even occasionally threatened until they get the message.

This is the type of thinking apparent and clear in ATW's postings, in case you missed it. He would frequently refer, for instance, to French Muslims in the context of invited guests and not as fully French. He probably did not even realize it, because that mode of thinking is second nature to him and other "nativisits" who view minorities as aliens and not equal citizens, and I know Mathloom and others called him on it on the spot.

Not everything is what it seems. People (especially racists and bigots) are very good at cloaking their true intentions with typical, acceptable talking points, or what is often referred to as code words which FoxNews has frankly mastered. Example: FNC is promoting a segment about Muslim extremists, and they show people kneeling in prayer on an ordinary day, with the words "terrorists" timed perfectly to emphasize word association with that image. They teach these things in journalism school by the way, subtlety is the key here.

On a personal note: I am AGAINST building this mosque anywhere near ground zero for a very simple reason, that is security concerns. I have a strong feeling that absent some serious security arrangements, that specific mosque will experience multiple bomb threats and perhaps one day some loon will get through and actually succeed in blowing up a bunch of people at prayer. That is why I oppose it, I do not think it is a good idea, although I can appreciate the need for a centrally located mosque in the heart of Manhattan to service a booming population nearby. This is not a problem unique to NYC, here in Houston and every other major city with a vibrant downtown business environment has a need for a centrally located mosque that would be easy for people to get to during normal Friday business hours. It is a matter of logistics/meeting the basic needs of the community.

 

In case you missed it, Muslim Americans (unlike German Muslims in your homeland) are some of the most affluent and successful minorities in the entire country. Most of the people I know own successful businesses or are highly educated and are very well-off. Again, you are a European so perhaps the basic understanding you have of the Muslims in your country, whom your government/society forced into ghettos and the associated poverty that comes with it, is a little biased in that way. I understand it is difficult for a European to imagine these conditions in any Western democracy, but the joke has been on you (meaning Europeans) all along, my friend

Plenty of money to throw at these causes, and I mean PLENTY. Sure, some foreign donors may wish to contribute from time to time (Saudi, UAE, Qatar and others have in the past), and that does happen, but it is by no means the normal way of doing things and it usually causes more problems than it is worth, which is why Muslims now generally reject the idea of foreign donors and instead want to emphasize native projects supported by Muslim-Americans themselves. In Houston, for an instance, a very wealthy Libyan-American businessman contributed to and built two large mosques in Houston/Galveston, including the largest mosque in the city. That is pretty much one person right there contributing over $5 million to build two mosques in one metro area. So that is one local example. Since mosques do not collect the typical 10% that most churches do in the USA, we have to depend on charity and the goodwill of private donors to do it.

 

So true and very well said!

 

You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about, son.

 

Well, I for one am glad that moderate Jewish leadership in NYC and elsewhere are largely supportive of this project.

http://forward.com/articles/128347/...MosquesPlanToExpandNearGroundZeroSparksDebate

Also, note how in the article it says some 9/11 victims' families have come out for and against this project, so it is by no means a consensus.

Just in case someone wants to use the "victims of 9/11" as an excuse for their own opposition to this mosque, some of them do support this project, as some also have opposed it.

I vote "for" as I see this as a step in the right direction for this country as a whole. There are already too many cases of anti-minority laws and procedures which are springing up everywhere you look. We need more tolerance these days.