I don't care what the deal is, as long as it doesn't involve Hakeem, and the player can pull down 10+ rebounds per game. Rebounding is all the Rockets really need to be a good team. ------------------ "Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning how to put food on their family while being put to death."
I don't think Shandon is going anywhere,too important.He adds stablity to Steve and Mobes.I think we resign him,but at a conservative figure.I'll bet SA wants to stay.This team has chemistry,but just lacks the size it sounds like we are trading for.Our future looks really good.I feel bad that Dream won't be finishing his career in a rocket uniform,but I think he has conducted himself with class by handling the situation like this(letting the rockets know he is going to play and isn't averse to a trade if he doesn't fit in at the salary or role he wants with the Rockets) [This message has been edited by hardwood (edited January 16, 2001).]
And as long as we don't commit some sort of sacrilege like trading Hakeem to (gulp, gasp) Dallas for Laettner and Bradley (two free agents next year that we can renounce) and a measly draft pick. God knows Cuban would re-sign Hakeem the max from petty cash. ------------------
Well, it's the eve of the eve of mid week & all's quiet on the trade front. It's an eerie calm, the kind that you get in the center of a catagory 5 hurricane, just before all he** breaks loose. We know something's going to go down (I'll bet Monica does... just kidding), but we don't know what. We don't know if it's a trade or just a deal. We don't even know what the difference between a trade & a deal is. We don't know if Cato will ever play another game this year or ever (the candy a**). We don't know if Walt will ever find his shot again. We don't know if the Rockets will ever learn how to get the defensive rebounds. Over 300 posts & we don't know any more than we knew when this thread started. Arrrrrrrgh! ------------------ [This message has been edited by Hottoddie (edited January 16, 2001).]
the eye of a hurricane before all hell breaks loose.......classic I'm thinking Miami,LA,or,of course Vancouver.Maybe some other three way deal...who the hell knows?...oh ,we do know who knows..good God!......Wednesday can't come soon enough. [This message has been edited by hardwood (edited January 16, 2001).]
Augmon waiver? He loses them. http://www.members.home.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#16 Mango ------------------ Lets get the Mo Go working! Test Your NBA Trade Ideas 1. Put new topics in the proper forum. Things happening in the rest of the NBA 2. Use clear wording for new threads. 3. No duplicate threads 4. Conduct yourself as an adult. The Serious Police are watching. Donate Blood or be assimilated!
If one is in the center (eye) of a category 5 hurricane, they have already seen approximately 1/2 of the storm. Currently, there is very little direct trade speculation by the Houston media. The chatter on this BBS is currently the most active place for trade speculation on an organized basis. I do not understand how that can compare to surviving 1/2 of a category 5 hurricane. Please explain your comparison. If the Rockets do make a monster/huge "deal" in the near future, then you will see the initial side of a category 5 storm in the media and by fans who do not frequent this BBS. Mango ------------------ Lets get the Mo Go working! Test Your NBA Trade Ideas 1. Put new topics in the proper forum. Things happening in the rest of the NBA 2. Use clear wording for new threads. 3. No duplicate threads 4. Conduct yourself as an adult. The Serious Police are watching. Donate Blood or be assimilated! [This message has been edited by Mango (edited January 16, 2001).]
Achebe's started another thread and I posted these ideas there also. I was thinking about this last night. How to open cap space? The following scenarios make some degree of sense. Of course, if it's been thought, it finds its way onto the thread: Cato to the Bulls. (Cato + Drew = Chicago's #1 pick THIS year). 6 million off the books for next year. OR Mo and/or Los and/or Walt to Detroit for JYD. Detroit has a trade exception to take on up to an additional 4 million. We get their pick or JYD, whose contract expires after this year. OR I hate this one. Dream for Bradley, Laettner and maybe a pick. These guys are free agents after the season. Good-bye, fellers. Any one of these deals will clear you up some space. ------------------
heyPartner, Why ask Socratic questions? Obviously, I was trying to give you an opening to work the term "Socratic" into a post. I have one for you,if Hakeem clears waivers like Thanos suggests(which he mathematically must if waived), he gets to choose any team he wants at the pro-rated minimum, right, just like a free agent can choose any team. What prevents us from planning ahead and finding who wants him, then forcing an unbalanced (talent-wise) trade with the team he wants to play for as a condition of waiving Hakeem? Nothing by the rules as I see it, like the Anthony waiver as an unwritten condition of the Pippen trade. But, do you think we will be successful forcing such a favorable trade. Like Rogers for a rookie on the team who wants Hakeem. HP, I'm sure you meant Augmon, but there's no proof that that was an agreed upon term of the deal. We simply had too many guarenteed contracts and Augmon was the least likely to fit into Rudy's plans (he loves Bullard and we already had Williams and Anderson). I'd have to believe that the type of deal that you suggest would be considered circumventing the salary cap. It's still a matter of exchanging players in a manner that isn't allowed under the cap (i.e you can't trade Hakeem and Rogers for a rookie contract). After seeing the way that Stern came down on the T-Wolves, I can't imagine that a team would be stupid enough to do that kind of deal. Especially if all you're getting back is a rookie. Does a player who clears waivers retain Bird rights? As Mango sited, you lose Bird Rights on a player once you waive them. And, how high do Rabbits jump. African or European? Sorry, that swallows, not rabbits. ------------------
Here's one I was thinking about while going to sleep last night. What if Hakeem's knee injury requires surgery and he is done for the season? The Rockets then renounce the rights to Hakeem to let him do what he pleases next season(ie. sign w/us for vet min or another team) freeing up $16 mil now to play with the rest of the year. Yes, I know there isn't much we'd be able to do with it between now and mid April, but it would allow us to field some other talent...sort of like a try out. Unfortunately if the Rockets did this it would basically be like tanking because there would be little chance that they would make any noise for the duration of the season. Other than that, the only scenario I can think of is us somehow aquiring Horry. ------------------ "Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever." - Gandhi
aelliott and mango, The Bird question was rhetorical. The point being, Hakeem will never see a big contract again if he is waived. IMO, if Sterns doesn't care about Barkley signing for the minimun to get Pippen, he doesn't care about this. Clearly, everyone in the league knew Barkley signed for the minimum on an agreement that Pippen came to the Rockets. How does stars taking huge pay cuts (assuming Dream plays next year) circumvent the salary cap? It's not like Sterns can take away his Bird rights. hmmmmm. I don't really think it circumvents the salary cap. We still have to pay the bill. As long as one team is paying the bill, I don't think they care. It isn't like Smith who really cheated to the benefit of himself and Minnesota. I think Sterns accepts it, and lets Hakeem do what he wants to the benefit of the league and the playoffs. I guess what you are more concerned with is that Sterns might object to us getting anything back. Why? A one-for-one trade for an unproven player. What's the big deal? How could he ever attach that to the Hakeem waiver? Besides, we could just sit on him and not send him to a contender, and why would Sterns want a disgruntled Hall-of-Famer? Anyhow, if Hakeem wants out as the "losing your girlfriend" comment by Doc suggests, get something for him!! [This message has been edited by heypartner (edited January 16, 2001).]
All those in favor of another hint, raise your hands. ------------------ stop posting my damn signature
has anyone thought that maybe the "losing your girlfriend" comment might be directed towards Shandon. just a thought. ------------------
I know most of us are withholding worthless speculation for now, but Cato (full BYC) and Walt equals partial-BYC's Rahim. This is just a ?, not likely to happen: Could we send Reef to Chicago for Tarlac (waste of space) and, say, Hawkins' portion of the salary still owed him by the Bulls? That, along with this year's Chicago #1? ------------------
BMC, My new BMC 162 is coming in the mail today. I've had alot of trouble w/ Burtons... I've found the one chemical that causes them to delaminate... H20. At least they're cool w/ warrantying a warrantee. I'll never have to buy a board again. Oh yeah, give us another clue Doctor Doctor. ------------------ We're going to stay together until something happens, if something happens. - Sidney Lowe on Shareef's career in Vancouver.
I´ve had enough of this nonsense. No more guessing games for me. I will just lay back and enjoy the show before i lose my sanity for good. That being said, i´m still hoping for Reef as i prefer to grab a superstar NOW and for the long run instead of betting all our coins on an improbable webber signing next year. (any of you catched him saying that he would like to play in dallas next year? he really is saying that everywhere he goes to!) Now, if you excuse me, i will try and see a shrink to see if he can get the speculating blues out of me. ------------------ "I have posted so much that what I say must be true"
The other team (not us) would be the team circumventing the cap. This is not a promise of over-market pay (like Smith). It is about under-market pay. To me, that is why Sterns won't care enough to press the issue. I hope both teams will try it, and test Sterns. I don't think he makes a big deal about it for reasons already given; and if he does, the other team would probably take the brunt of the penalty. Last questions just for your personal opinion: If we can't make a trade for Dream, because of his salary, would you release him or keep him? If you release him and try the trade, what do you think Stern's penalty would be. From reading Larry Coon on the Smith issue, that seemed to be pretty well written into the CBA. This scenario seems too flukey for the crime and penalty to be written into the CBA.
Where's the carrot for the other team? If they know that the Rox are planning on waiving Hakeem anyway, why give us something for doing so? I couldn't imagine that Dream would stay with the Rockets if they let him work out a (secret) deal with another team and then pulled the plug cause the other team wouldn't give us a rookie. All this stuff sounds like some sort of crazy scheme anyway, IMHO. If Dream really wanted to get waived, he could arrange it tomorrow. Trade or no. ------------------ "Thirty-seven?" -Randall, Clerks www.clutchtown.com
heypartner, when did you start calling Stern 'Sterns'. Did you move to Utah? Do you buy books at Barnes & Nobles? Are you working on your javas and your vbs? j/k... it's a UT thing. ------------------ We're going to stay together until something happens, if something happens. - Sidney Lowe on Shareef's career in Vancouver.
