well crog and walt togetha will definetely be outa here. tha cap room thang makes sense here. i love crog, but we mite havta see him go. now if we throw dream in there, and get some end of tha contract playaz in here, we get some mad cap space. mo taylor mite also be an option to free up some cap room. ok all four of them together should bring us cwebb and maybe a lil more. is there anyone else besides cwebb out there this summa that is worth all this risk? prediction: tha announcement comes tuesday be4 tha NATIONALY TELEVISED game with VINCE CARTER coming to town. 1/2 of seven can be called as 3 or 4. so tuesday works...... ------------------ Lookin at a 75 year old man in a thong: NASTY Lookin at Shaq hit free throws: "O SH**!"
My thoughts are, first, that its all a guessing game. I'm trying to pick up clues as fast as Doc Rocket and Clutch are willing to give them. Right now, I lean towards there being no trade at all. Or at the most, a deal for lower-tier, cheaper players. Why? Trade Dream, release him, or sign him to a low salary and you can immediately give a new contract to Mo Taylor and/or Shandon. ------------------ "Thirty-seven?" -Randall, Clerks www.clutchtown.com
Miinesota needs cap space and picks. LA needs to lose Kobe and gain Garnett. Chicago needs Kobe and Reeves. Vancouver needs cap space, picks, and young talented players. Houston needs to lose Hakeem and fillers for SAR. Make it work... ------------------ "Stranger things have happened, but none stranger than this" - Commentator after a parachutist landed in the ring of a Holyfield fight
Well I was very impressed by Webber in the interview. But, that would be sweet if the Rockets are positioning themselves to aquire Webber in the off season. ------------------ The guns are cocked and the soldiers are in place, it's time to march and let the battles decide the war.
Maybe the question boils down to do we trade Hakeem et. al for cap space and go after a Webber (if we can) in the off-season or do we trade Hakeem for the best player available now. We may not clear up that much capspace, but we may also not get the stud like a Webber. It's starting to sound like there may not be a blockbuster-type trade, but more a strategic trade. ------------------ "I personally don't think Jordan would have enjoyed playing with himself." -- JeffB lets us all know that Popeye and Clutch aren't the only ones with inside sources... (also an example of a BBS "sound-bite")
has there ever been a 400 post thread? ------------------ The guns are cocked and the soldiers are in place, it's time to march and let the battles decide the war.
I went ahead and corrected your post. ------------------ "I personally don't think Jordan would have enjoyed playing with himself." -- JeffB lets us all know that Popeye and Clutch aren't the only ones with inside sources... (also an example of a BBS "sound-bite")
There's been 2 to my knowledge... I think Oeilpere's Antawn Jamison thread may have hit 400. The other one is the 1700+ one that Clutch spanked everybody for and asked us not to post to it again. ------------------ "I personally don't think Jordan would have enjoyed playing with himself." -- JeffB lets us all know that Popeye and Clutch aren't the only ones with inside sources... (also an example of a BBS "sound-bite")
It seems to me, that when you talk about taking risks, you're talking about trading for someone in the last year of their contract. The risk is that they won't resign. The Rockets are probably trading for someone in their last year. Of course, it must be Webber. ------------------ "Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning how to put food on their family while being put to death."
As much as I would love for that to be, The Kings think they have a legit shot at the title with Webber. Even if Webber comes out and tells management he is definitely not going to resign, the Kings keep him for a shot at the title. ------------------
Thanks doc! Now just email me at mhorton@xmission.com and I'll think about whatever you want to tell me. ------------------ We're going to stay together until something happens, if something happens. - Sidney Lowe on Shareef's career in Vancouver.
Not that I know what I'm talking about, but hopefully, someone can correct me if I'm wrong. If we're talking about cap space, the big deal(to use one of Rudy's favorite words) and easiest clue to decipher is Hakeem's contract. We don't get any cap space from Hakeem until the end of the season and we renounce his rights. (Is renounce the right term?) If we trade Hakeem, we would have to take back contracts ending this season also to keep our cap space. If we trade for expiring contracts, what's the point? If we trade Hakeem, I think it has to be for someone very good like SAR or it doesn't make sense for the Rocks. I don't know of any other deal involving Hakeem at this particular time other than a trade possibility. I don't believe it is a contract extension for Hakeem. ------------------
I think we've just gone a head and explored almost all corners. This is likely not a trade, or necessarily a trade. Then what can it be. Is Hakeem going to be RELEASED FOR NOTHING? ------------------ The guns are cocked and the soldiers are in place, it's time to march and let the battles decide the war.
Vince, I've thought about that many times myself, and it would be absolutely horrific to see it happen. I don't think the Rockets would do that though- first of all, it hurts the team to just let go of a player with his kind of skills for nothing in return. Second, if you think attendance is bad now, could you imagine the reaction of Houston to just flat out CUTTING Hakeem without getting ANYTHING in return? No one could justify that. It'd be a PR nightmare. ------------------ President of the Jason Collier and Mo Taylor fan club! Draftsource.net ClutchTown.com
vince, actually, now that i think about it, that's not nearly as crazy as it seems. if we release hakeem, and someone picks up his contract he doesn't count against our cap anymore, we could resign mo and shandon, and still make a run at say, webber next season. now, you may wonder, who would pay 16,000,000 of hakeem's salary to play half a season? i can think of at least one guy who would do it: cuban. questions we may have to ask ourselves: would you guys rather have a team with Webber and say, Langhi at sf or a team with Mo and Reef? don't forget that we could have reef and mo NOW and for the LONG RUN, while webber is a great gamble at best. You're right Cat, i've thought about that myself. It wouldn't be acceptable by the general public at all the idea of releasing Hakeem outright for cap considerations. It has to be a trade for a marquee player, or the gamble as far as PR would be too great to take. ------------------ "I have posted so much that what I say must be true" [This message has been edited by Thanos (edited January 15, 2001).] [This message has been edited by Thanos (edited January 15, 2001).]
What the hell happened here? I left last night to make an attempt at sleep (see signature) and I come back today after an all-day recording session to find this long meandering post. Wow. Doc: You are a sadistic b*stard, aren't you. ------------------ I am very very sleepy.
if we release hakeem, and someone picks up his contract he doesn't count against our cap anymore, we could resign mo and shandon, and still make a run at say, webber next season. now, you may wonder, who would pay 16,000,000 of hakeem's salary to play half a season? i can think of at least one guy who would do it: cuban. Ok, here's a couple of questions: 1. What team has $16M in cap space available to offer Hakeem? Answer: nobody. 2. If the Rockets released Hakeem, why would any team sign him at $16M? They would sign him for the minimum and make the Rockets pay the rest. 3. How would that scenario free up any more cap space than simply not resigning Hakeem after this year? ------------------
According to my reading of the clever Doc Rocket clues, it sounds like Dream is involved for capspace reasons. So the obvious question is: What teams are the cap-space players? -- that could mean teams that HAVE or NEED space........ Does this mean Washington? (they get the capspace and we get a big contract in return? Howard or Strickland?) Chicago? (we get young talent now -- they get space at the end of the season) Clippers? (young talent for us -- do they still have any space to offer?) Would a deal get done with a team like New York so they can sign Webber at seasons end and have Dream for the playoffs this year? Miami? (I wonder if Dream gets released or is dealt -- don't know how that would work and ends up with Miami.......) Sacramento? (they feel they can't resign Webber and would rather get future capspace at year's end plus a former MVP to play during this years' playoff run) Dallas? ( they are involved in every NBA trade and deserve to be mentioned here) Forgive me -- I'm thinking out loud hoping other speculation will follow -- remember capspace is the key here. ------------------
I don't think we can really acquire much more cap space. If Hakeem IS going, perhaps Walt could be tacked on for another 4.5 mill? But is the possible PR nightmare of Hakeem worth 4.5 mill of getting rid of Walt (we know it's not Cato going with). Perhaps the question is-Blow the wad of cap now, or save it in dreams of Webber? ------------------ The Serious Police are watching. Follow the rules or be assimilated. Shandon is underrated.
