Kyle's other big deal was rebounding and defense, though his defense slacked as he took on more of the scorign load during that period. Not mentioning his rebounding tear is negligent and misleading however (not to mention that there's some pace adjustments that are needed).
What stat says Lin is better other than wins and loses? Code: Rk Player Season Age G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48 1 Jeremy Lin 2012-13 24 82 2640 14.9 .538 .490 1.4 9.1 5.3 29.4 2.5 0.8 18.8 20.8 106 107 3.0 2.5 5.4 .099 2 Kyle Lowry 2012-13 26 68 2020 17.5 .543 .482 3.2 15.9 9.5 34.6 2.5 1.0 17.7 20.3 110 106 3.5 2.1 5.6 .133 Lowry had a higher PER, better OWS, better DWS, more WS, a higher WS/48, A higher TRB%, a higher AST%, a lower TOV%, a higher TS%. Lin has done a good job, but he isn't a top 10 point guard. Lowry seems to have attitude problem and always seems to be hurt so I don't mind having Lin, but Lowry is more productive when he is on the floor and makes less money.
At his peak, I think he can get to 17 pts 8 assists, which is good for probably a #8-12 PG. Long term to stay on the court, he needs to become a good defender.
I think Posters are comparing Lowry post all-star stat to Lin post all-start game stats. Clearly for the season Lowry was better and no point to argue that. Possible better example is looking at Lowry stats post Gay trade (36 games) who's a ball dominate forward. Those number are clearly worst then Lin's. So evidence says Lowry would have also struggle with ball dominate Harden. Code: [SIZE="2"]G MP FG% 3P% FT% TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS 36 31.6 .385 .331 .737 4.8 6.9 1.5 0.4 2.5 3.3 9.9 [/SIZE] Code: G GS MP TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg 36 36 31.6 .506 .462 3.2 14.7 8.9 34.0 2.5 1.0 20.1 18.0 105 106
Silly thread... very deceptive. It cherry picks statistics. Lowry was clearly better than Lin, he was the better defender, rebounder, passer, got to the line more and had higher TS, OWS, DWS. Having said that, Lowry had health issues and we were able to flip Lowry for Harden... so it is a win/win situation. Lin is Lin, not anyone else. He is a good player and has gotten better as time has gone on... end of discussion.
I honestly do not know if the Rockets would have signed Lin if they already had Harden... no way to know. What I do know is that Lin does NOT have the second highest per on the team, and he has not been the second best Rocket this season... PER Harden 23.0 Jones 17.1 Greg Smith 16.2 Patterson 15.6 Beverley 15.4 Parsons 15.3 Asik 14.9 Lin 14.9
This. The problem with Lowry is that though he has a more developed skill set, he had health problems this year and his attitude was in question all season. When the Raptors reporters say that there was a team meeting where they called him out for NOT being a team player, that's not something to be taken lightly. Don't get me wrong, Lowry is no Demarcus Cousins however he certainly isn't building a great reputation as team guy. This is unfortunate as I really feel that if Lowry can get his head in the right place he could be a solid top 10 PG, and potentially top 5. Sadly, the NBA is littered with players that never lived up to their potential.
Really wish people would stop using PER to compare players. It's such a deceptive stat and never reflects on the level of the players. According to PER, - Stoudemire is 13th best player. - There are 8 centers who are better than Dwight. - Brook Lopez is the best Center and 5th best player in the league. - Andray Blatche is second best Center and 14th best player. - Brandan Wright is 20th best player. - Those two above are better than LMAldridge and MGasol. - Hickson is better than Marc too. It goes on and one how flawed PER really is.
Quote me on where i said Lin is better? I clearly stated they are pretty close and the stats you listed backs up my point. Yes Lowry is better, but the gap is closing.
I mentioned in my post PER among starters, you missed that. Comparing PER between backups who play limited minutes to starters is useless, PER tends to be skewed when players getting less minutes. Also, according to hoopdata, parsons per is 14.83 while Lin is 15.1. Asik is at 14.96.
This I don't care how good the guy was either but for a guy that has never accomplished anything to have the audacity to be like "Him or me" to the organization?!?! Glad we got that loser's sorry ass out of here. He should be up there on T-Mac level hate too.
For those using this season's PER number to say Lowry is better, Lin has the best PER number last season. This year he's bothered by injury ealry and adjusting into a lower usage&minutes role later.
Lin is far better than both Lowry and Dragic. he has similar numbers though his shooting is better. Since the Allstar break he has even better numbers. and that with a coach who treats him like ****, benches him for extremely long stratches till he`s ice cold without ANY reason( lakers game, Suns game, indiana game, many games before) and talks **** about him ( 9 turnovers vs OKC LOLOL). Also he plays with a SG wchich has 8% higher usage than him which is extremely rare for a PG. It is HARD to adjust to that as a YOUNG PG. PG is the postition where you need consitency in your role on the court and in you playing time/ usage. Lin doesnt get this AT ALL. and plays in a system where everyone shall be A PG. . We´ve seen what he can do in New York, where he had free reign over a team and put up extremely good numbers( quit high turnovers too, but normal for this usage ask rondo). Everyone wanted to expose him as a fluke after like the 3rd Linsanity game and they ALL failed ( not the Heat but Heat held CP3 to 5/3 too this season) so dont say it was a fluke. He could to this again and on a team like the suns he would put up at least Linsanity numbers if not better but without that much turnovers as he´s improved in that category. he proved it here too in the games without Harden. 21/7 are ELITE numbers. he´ll prove it here next season too even with Harden who has to adjust and play off the ball more if he´ll ever want to become effective again. If McHale will still be here next season and will continue to treat him like his whipping boy than he´ll be gone soon. i hope ya´ll dont want this even though i´m not sure with some ppl here. and if you think that lin isnt at least a good defender than you´r plain dumb. he even can defend SGs in the post lol, unlike Harden. Lin and Harden are gonna own next year, though only if McHale allows them too( hope hes gone but you never know...)
What would Lin stats be without a ball dominant 2 guard? Lin's stats as the ball dominant guard on the team> Lowry's stats as the ball dominant guard on the team.
