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Lin: Then and Now

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Carl Herrera, Jul 3, 2012.

  1. daywalker02

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    Present a solution and we're talking.....
     
  2. daywalker02

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    MVP type of players are popular themselves.....
     
  3. tinman

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    this is about Jeremy Lin, he's just popular.
    And I think the majority want him because of that reason cause it's debatable if he's an minor upgrade or downgrade from Dragic.
     
  4. anthony59237

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    then, it really doesn't matter which one we sign since neither is bringing us a championship on their own. if dragic doesn't want to come back, might as well go after lin, the basically the same player as dragic, just more popular. don't see anything wrong with that.
     
  5. dmenacela

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    So, what were you saying about Lin back in February and what are you saying about it now? Did anything change your mind as to whether Jeremy Lin is a high level talent that the Rockets let go or simply a publicity tool?

    I've always been a fan of Jeremy Lin. His owning of John Wall during summer league was no fluke and Linsanity proved it given the chance. Back in Feb I was pretty excited when the Rockets picked him up albeit disappointed since he really didn't get a chance to shine. Whether the Rockets are using him as a publicity tool or not - the fact is he's still no Deron but another asset on this team with ton of potential. He won't make us contenders but if you're asking personally how we feel, sign him up!
     
  6. tinman

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    Not signing Lin for a huge contract so we can have money for a MVP candidate in the future.
     
  7. tinman

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    People here care about popularity. here's an example:

    What Clutch was saying, in basketball terms, Dragic > Lin and Lin should not get as much $$$ as him.

    Why do you say they are the same player? Dragic is a better ball handler.
     
  8. dmenacela

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    Oh...not going to start a thread on this but I did see Jeremy Lin last Friday at a club (The Grand) in San Francisco. Didn't take any pics but he had his own VIP table on the second floor. He was wearing all white - didn't look like he was drinking and he wasn't hanging out with MC Jin or rappers or anything like that. Just hanging out with some of his local friends. Coincidence?
     
  9. morpheus133

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    I think the hypocrisy comment is directed at the vocal posters who killed Morey for not keeping Lin who "could have been our superstar" when we already had 2 PG's who they now admit to be better than Lin under contract already. At the time though many of them considered Lin to be better than Lowry and most didn't even consider Dragic to be close. If these vocal critics had always looked at Lin as worse than Lowry and Dragic, then there never would have been a serious backlash for missing Lin in the first place. Missing Lin is only a big mistake if he was going to be your starter or at least backup. If these vocal critics always considered Lin to be a 3rd string PG, then missing on him would have never been a big deal, because they already had a 3rd string PG under contract who barely ever played at the time "Linsanity" was going on. We wouldn't have had threads with hundreds of replies if they always expected Lin to be the 3rd string PG. Certainly not every one who wished we had kept Lin was this way, but there were enough for it to be the hot topic during "Linsanity".

    The Rocket's and Dragic "weren't even close" from what I have read, which means offering the same contract to Lin isn't because they would rather have him, but because Dragic made it clear he wasn't going to play for any where close to that contract. Now if they offered MORE money than Dragic was offered then I completely agree with you. It all depends on what the final numbers for both Dragic and Lin end up being.

    From my understanding that isn't what is happening. They aren't letting Dragic walk so they can offer a large sum to Lin, but rather they are rumored to be offering Lin the same contract that Dragic turned down because it isn't in the same ball park as what Dragic is hoping to get from some one else. Which means the Lin contract would be significantly lower than what Dragic is asking for.

    I was never as high as some people here on Lin, but it's a bit premature to say that not knowing what contract was offered to Dragic that he had no interest in. I'd kind of be surprised if it was $8+ million since it seems the amount wasn't even close enough for Dragic to seriously consider it. How much more than $8 million does Dragic want that they couldn't negotiate a middle ground?
     
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  10. AggNRox

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    very interested.

    when talking about lin, TO, slow, injury all popped up, well, dragic has no weakness at all. at least no one mentioned. it seems to me dragic is the best pg on the earth. i am sorry. i have a complete different opinion on him from yours.

    what dragic showed in the last season is the most you can get. he won't be that good if other team focuses on him. he was not in the headline so no other team pg really tried to prove something when playing against rox. he got benefits from playing with a few good rox players. he piled up his stats but didn't make his teammates better. he didn't push us into playoff. i don't believe he can maintain the level he showed in the last season when other team pay attention on him and when rox trades away our vets and good players. w/ a bunch of rookies and young players, i doubt he will be what you expected except piling up his stats.

    well, lin is different. yes, he has weakness but he proved he can lead a bunch of scrubs except chandler (more on defense) to win games. he made those scrubs play much better. someone including clutch questioned he was good cause he benefited from d'antonio system. this is not true. d'antonio system is to run you out of court. his system is just one kind of pg oriented offense. lin played alot p&r to attack the rim.

    the thing i like most is lin's ability to make other players better. it is what we need in current stage where rox doesn't have a superstar and has a bunch of rookies and young players. they need someone know how to lead them and make them better on the court.

    i am saying dragic is not good. i am tied of someone who hasn't done much but already asked tons of money. if dragic asks 10+ mil and lin costs us only 7 or 8 mil, i would take lin.
     
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    IMO either Dragic or Lin is no MVP, so why don't we get the extra exposure from a more popular player? Moreover, it's not like Lin costs us $10M while Dragic only costs us $2M.

    In term of basketball skill, it is really like comparing orange to apple since they played with different bunches of players.
     
  12. AggNRox

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    typo - i am not say dragic is not good.
     
  13. tinman

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    why do people care so much about that? I just care about winning. I don't work for the Rockets, I'm a fan, I care that they win, not that they are popular.

    They weren't popular when they won 2 championships. They were super popular with Yao/Tmac and that duo didn't win crap. I prefer unpopular and legendary.

    I don't know what they will offer Lin, but I hope they don't overpay him.
     
  14. Sigmund

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    You are on drugs. Knicks without Stat and Melo are still better team than Rockets. Very deep. 3 point shooting was most important in his run for the Knicks and it was against 6 non playoff team, Jazz(worst playoff team) and Lakers(bad team on the road). Baron Davis had better numbers than Lin when D'Antoni left.
     
  15. haoafu

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    Lin is younger and better. It's a nobrainer.
     
  16. anthony59237

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    it doesn't matter, both will still be overpaid and dragic=lin, neither is clearly better than the other. I didn't necessarily mean same player, I meant as players, they're on par with each other
     
  17. AggNRox

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    you really look bad than i thought. knicks w/o melo and amare is better than rox!!!! wow, amazing.

    a typical hater. all wins are nothing to with lin. all tos, losses, melo poor play had something to do with lin.

    case closed!!!
     
  18. Sigmund

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    They are on same level?

    One of them can't drive left. Other is left handed.
    One of them didn't play a playoff game in his career yet. Other scored 23 points in 4th quarter in playoff game vs. Spurs, which is still most in Popovich-Duncan era.
    One of them is a small forward in 6'3" body. Other is pure point, who can score.
    One of them is most turnover prone player in NBA. Other isn't.
     
  19. Sigmund

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    Melo averaged 30 points on 49% shooting in April when Lin was out. Knicks were 18-6 since Woodson took over and Lin was nothing more than role player until injury.
     
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    ok, your right, what was I thinking. thanks for proving me wrong man.
     

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