Lin shooting 78% from 3's??!?! (Predict Lin's 3 Pt FG% Next Season)

Let's talk about Beverley in the playoffs.

- Got to deal with Reggie Jackson primarily, not Westbrook. BIG difference and key to why he was able to get things done, IMO. Even in Game 2, when Westbrook got hurt in the 2nd quarter, 9 of Beverley's 16 points came after Westbrook got hurt.

- He got torched the last 5 quarters of the series by Jackson, including pretty much all of Game 6. In Houston. In an elimination game. By the 22-year-old backup.

So, let's keep things straight here. Most of what Beverley has done -- in the regular season and the playoffs -- was done against back-ups. And then in Game 6, the OKC back-up easily handled Beverley on Houston's home floor.

I like Beverley and he's much better than Toney Douglas, but let's be honest here.

 

Did Patrick Beverley not go to college? He's got college experience too, but he's got more pro experience on top of that.

 

2 years of college. Dude. they are same age, how can one have more experience?

 

But I know Lin has 2 more years of NBA experience than Beverley, or at least by near 1 full season of meaningful NBA experience from NY.

 

I think you are a little low on Beverly, there was no comparison between him and Lin in the playoffs. He played very well throughout our series with OKC, I don't think we would have had the success we did without him.

 

Due to minutes per game....like i mentioned earlier, i believe Patrick was playing 36 mins per game in Russia, or around there, basically starter's minutes. At that time Lin was in the NBDL and/or playing like 10 mins a game for GS.

Who's not being honest? Did i say he produced big numbers? Did i say he outplayed Jackson?

Y'all are focusing on numbers, stats. I'm talking about his mentality. The game isn't just black and white. There are grey areas. A player didn't always just play well or not. sometimes you hear coaches say a players mentality was correct, but the shots didn't fall, the opponent was too good, caught some bad calls, etc. There are different ways of evaluating someone's game besides the boxscore. Sometimes you can have wins within a loss.

 

people on this board, LOHs, are idiots beyond measure.

dude is showing potential to get better, and he's a dude that i will 100% take on his word that he will indeed fill in that PG role and be exactly what we need

but people are crying about trading him, and doing whatever it takes to get dwight (don't get me wrong, i want dwight too)..what's the guarantee that dwight won't take houston for granted and won't show up..

jlin has the potential to hit a prime we haven't seen yet, and i highly doubt dwight will get back to that status..

stupid LOHs...

 

Mind tell us about your thought on Lin's mentality please? TIA.

 

I don't have a problem with his mentality. He seems like a tough kid and he's very confident in his game and ability to improve it.

But if you're trying to tie this back to what I've said, his mentality isn't an issue IMO. When i say Dwight may think Lin isn't ready for championship run as the starting pg, people assume I'm calling Lin weak minded. That's not the case. Was Kobe weak minded when he airballed those shots as a young guy in the playoffs vs the jazz? Hell no, dude's as mentally tough as they come. But he was inexperienced. Perhaps that inexperienced didn't allow him to maintain control or make a better decision at such a crucial situation.

In fact, i would probably say the same thing about the current Dwight playing with the Kobe of back then. Maybe Dwight wouldn't think Kobe is ready to help him win a title, after seeing that performance, and wouldn't want to play with him.

 

You can't have it both ways, that's the problem with you people.


If you want stickiness on offense then yes bev can be the main guy. No box score just the ol eye test.

 

What do you mean you people?




I was talking about a win, as in the coaches seeing Bev in that environment. How else do you replicate that? You think they didn't want to see that, in a way? Of course they're not going to sit Lin down just to see how PB handles the playoffs, but since Lin had to sit, then it's a great opportunity to see it. It's a win, for the coaches, maybe even the players, because you learn more from an experience you really shouldn't have had. Going forward, their decision making, in regards to PB, should improve from having that experience, rather than just imagining it and trying to make decisions from assumptions.

 

And this year? Lin is playing how many mins per game? Beverley is playing how many mins per game? I don't think NBDL's 36 min/game or NBA's 10min/game is worse than 36min/game Russia. Not a good evidence to your experience argument.

 

You don't think playing 36 min a game in a pro league in Russia, as a main guy, is better experience than playing in the NBDL or garbage minutes in the NBA? Really? We're not exactly talking about a league in Guatemala ...

In just his first pro season, Bev played a lot more minutes than Lin did in GS and NY combined. I'll try to look for the rest of PB's stats the other seasons, but it looks like the total minutes will be heavily in his favor, if we continue the math. More minutes total, probably more meaningful as well, and against better competition? How would Pat not be more experienced as a pro?

 

great, fair enough, respect your opinion.

So you think DH may not sign with us is because he thinks Lin is not a championship ready starting pg. If that is what he thinks, then which team that has the capability to sign him outright that has a seasoned championship ready pg (and I believe skills have to be part of the championship ready pg requirements)? And we may disregard the pick of the Clippers unless the Lakers agree with a sign&Trade.

I just hope that people do not use Lin as a culprit if DH12 decided not to sign with the Rockets.

 

where are all your arguments about beverley's mentality and lengthier experience leading to? cause it doesn't make any logical sense to draw the conclusion that he should be the rockets' starter.

so beverley handled the mental aspect during the playoffs. *clap* *clap* *clap* he should start in place of lin even though we don't know how lin would've handled it? we're assuming lin would've just been crushed under the pressure and asked for mommy because he doesn't have the mental tenacity? i love beverley's energy but he's a very 1 dimensional pg. you keep harping about how basketball is mental...and it is but let's not forget that it's a physical sport where the winning team is the one that gets the spherical object into the hoop usually more often from various areas on the court. you don't win games with jedi mind tricks. yes, it's appropriate to use stats to help determine who's better or who's should start. there's a reason why we have stat oriented GM's like Morey and not psychologists like Dr. Phil managing the team.

including beverley's time in europe, he prob has more play time than lin but that automatically warrants him a starter position too now? you're the one that brought up the joke about mike james in a prior post but if we're being serious and we're going with your argument about beverley's tenure > lin's, then mike james (who has 14 years of pro experience including europe) deserves to start no matter who the pg will be for the mavs. and no, pro ball in europe doesn't equate to the nba. it's not 1:1, it's not apples to apples. if anything this should open our eyes! beverley has 4 years in europe and 1/2 a year in the nba and he plays at this 1 dimensional level whereas lin has a little over 1 full year of real experience in the nba and he's already at a very serviceable starter's level. shouldn't that say something about who should really be starting?

 

I'm just bored enough to weigh in on this rubbish thread...
36.5%, which, given his improved physical condition assuming he is not coming off major knee surgery, will be enough to put him in the slightly above average tranches of starting point guards, and a much better partner for harden than he was for the first third of last season. Yew he's expendable, but I also think he can be a top 10 pg in this league.

 

I dont know if Lin will be the reason DH decides not to come. There's going to be tons of variables he has to consider, on and off the court. I think it's something significant to look at though. I mentioned earlier that now he has interest in Dallas too, who has Roddy and Collison. They have to clear more space, but i think they can do it. I dont think the LA situation is as bad as people make it out to be. Next year most of their large contracts end, and i think the FO and major players will will take a lot less money, if it means another shot at a ring. They'd have to make some calls and deals to get another pg, but they won't be as tied down as some people seem to think. They talk like Kobe/Pau/metta are signed for years and not a year more.

Dude, you're arguing with yourself here. You're seeing what you want to see, not what I've written. I'm not arguing Patrick deserves the starting spot. The main argument is over DH's opinion of Lin as his starting point. The sub-argument is simply about the importance of pro experience, which Patrick has more of, and how that allowed him to step in and fill in for Lin. No one seems to be arguing PB should start.

 

You don't think playing 36 min a game in NBA, is better experience than playing in Russia?

His first pro season, was where? Ukrainian Secondary Division? Is that better or worse than Guatemala, I don't really know.

Also, while your boy played his pro season, Lin was playing full time as the main guy on the Harvard team. Your only argument valid is Lin's time in GS, but same goes to Beverley's time in Houston. Lin's NBA experience is way more than Beverley. I'd say Lin's last 2 years on Harward was about the same as Beverley on the Ukrainian team? Lin's first year on GS was worse than Beverley's experience, but NY year and Hou year were way better.

 

Why is everyone still arguing with RV6? This has been going on for days and though I don't agree with him (argued with him for a couple days), the posts disagreeing with him now are getting more hot headed and unintelligible.

Just walk away. Lin is always going to be a polarizing figure as a Rocket, or wherever he goes. The chances of you convincing someone that your views about him are more valid than someone else's are slim to none.

 

Look, you can say Bev is better fit with Harden, Lin's overpaid, all the mentality stuff. I can see your point.

But using some Euro experience crap to make Bev sound more experienced than he's actually is simply doesn't make sense.