1. That's what the LOH's have been talking about consistently. His bad defense. i'm glad you can admit Lin can play solid Defense. 2. Game against the sixers, and spurs last year. People criticized him. allowed former Rocket to go off for 34. criticize him. maybe you didn't criticize him, but your LOHaters did. 3. you do criticize him and make pre-mature assesments of Lin's skills. You are also known to attack members that support Lin as though that';s a sin. It's a divisive tactic, since Lin is on the Rockets. It would be like If I critized Melo fans because they supported him and I didn't. I don't support melo, but i don't bash other people who do It's wrong for me to do that. 4. Their arguments have been pretty fair. the LOHaters have been ridiculous and their expectations are unrealistic. Lin is not lebron james. And that's a joke if you expect him to be. He can't be perfect. To focus on every blemish on Lin is a signal that there is something the LOH can't stand about him. the fans of the rockets that support Lin will want him to succeed. But will criticize him if has a bad game. Like the thunder game, he wasn't good, no excuses there. you last paragraph is interesting. at least you're more open minded than the people who pigeon hole him into a particular role. It seems curious to say the least that you don't want to give him an opportunity to suceed which is quite strange since the Rockets need PG play badly. Kind of counter-intuitive to not try to develop Lin, unless you flat out don't like the kid. As well, You affection for Harden is strange. Yeah's he' a great player no doubt. But Harden's presense does not make Howard, Parsons, or Lin redundant. More weapons the Rockets got, the better. To just play musical chairs and kick off the weakest weapon on the ROckets is flat at naive or biased at this point.
they are my opinions, that true. I never said, for fact that this is all true. Tht's why sports talk is so great. everyone can have an opinion, which is like you know what. Everyone has has one. I'd love to have Beverley back, but I don't see team performance getting weakened. Lin has done well to replace him. but Parsons absence has been noticeable. Especially when Brewer is averaging 2 points per game.
I remember this one guy that literally clogged up threads because he needed to have an answer for everything...
1. So admit and apologize then. You accused me erroneously of saying things that I didn't, IE you are LYING. 2. Refer back to to point 1. 3. What pre-mature assessments have I made? All my opinions are grounded in reality where Lin is merely an average to above-average player with tons of things he needs to work on. This is based off his overall performance and inconsistencies backed by stats. Pre-mature assessments are those LoF idiots putting him on a pedestal. I recently saw a post comparing him to CP3 for crying out loud. 4. I am not a LoH so I can't speak to whatever nonsense they say. I don't however see any LoH's comparing Lin to LBJ. As for being under a microscope? Blame his fans (I am guessing that includes you) and the media for hyping up such a mediocre player. My opinion on Lin is he is average and I honestly don't think he will ever be a good or great PG, just a solid one. It is not my interest to see the Rockets wasting precious time developing him, especially since he increasingly looks like he has not future on the team. Championship windows are short, typically 3-5 years. Why should we waste a single second of that trying to develop Lin the player? I would much rather see that time invested on developing our team and how they respond to Harden and Howard. This last part shows me just how little you know about basketball. Harden as well as Howard are our stars. They are the ace of our offense. Teams live and die by their stars. Jeremy Lin is not our star or even one of those stars. There is only ONE ball on the court at any given time. For better or worse, Harden likes to play point and dominate the ball. Given again that he is our STAR (and Lin is NOT), it is not affection but logical acceptance that Harden's style largely renders Lin redundant in our lineup, hence his moving to the 6th man role. Is it fine to have another weapon? Of course it is. However, Lin needs to start playing like a weapon again in that case.
What is bad about saying Lin is an average player? The guy went from d-leaguer to averaging 14 points in the NBA on a good team, calling him average is not an insult.
His fans feel like he is a great PG and player. They consider anything less than that a personal affront. Most PG's would die to be able to be average to above-average as that guarantees you typically a starting gig somewhere and usually a pretty lengthy career in the league. I would call that a huge success for the vast majority of NBA players. Stars are stars for a reason however, and Lin is most assuredly not a star.
3. but i disagree that he's average. He's faster and stronger than most PG's in the NBA. He's better than John Salmons, terrance Jones, Kemba walker. Those are average to above average players int he NBA. I don't think Lin is top 20 in the NBa, but maybe top 50, which isn't bad. it's funny that you think Lin fans put him on a pedastal when he hasn't earned it yet. Maybe the fans from china think so, but that's china. We can laugh them off. they'll suppport anything chinese. Lin has been one of the more consistent players on the ROckets this season. His hustle, good D and contributions on Offense has helped the rockets day in and day out. Not every night is a gem, but most night Lin has performed when required. 5. He's not a mediocore player. You've already pigeon holed him to a category that's not true. He's better than Average NBA players. average NBA players are like Petkovic, Vucavic, brandon bass. Lin is better than, but he's not better than the elite of the NBA. i think that is a fair assessment at this point. Lin is not getting the media attention that he used to get. It's only the asian media that gets all hyped up over an asian dude performing well in a mostly demographically black league. I disagree with you. the more weapons on offense you got, the better chance for a team to have problems with that team. Monte Williams said that he was VERY concerned about Parsons and Lin when they met a few weeks ago. Lin played well that game, and proved William's concern outright. Parsons is a star and Lin is a valuable member to add another weapon to the team. It is provincial and acute to just say that Howard and Harden are our stars, and everyone else can take a back seat. Both of these players need the other players to step up. They need Jones, Parsons, Lin to perform well. To say Lin is not our star, is just you view on him as a player. Who do you mean by OUR? do mean the rockets fan base? Les ALexander and the organization. Because if you are talking about the fan base, you would have disagreements about what you just said. There people who want lin to be a star on the ROckets. The rockets organization feels differently. I don't think they see Lin as a long term solution based on their behavior and treatment of Lin. It is illogical to say that Harden makes Lin redundant. Lin has a different skil set. he's a better passer, smaller, quicker, and i think he plays defense better at this point. Harden is much different. And teams need multiple weapons on the floor. Like Shaq and Kobe. Pippen and Jordan. Spurs have Parker, ginobili, and Duncan. Lin is a PG and harden is SG that plays Point. But he's not a better PG than Lin. and i believe that Lin can make Harden an even better player if McHale allows the chemistry to develop.
that's not true. Only you guys say ridiculous things like that. LOH bash Lin to death when it's not warranted. LOF's have been more fair than I have expected. It's only the fans from china perhaps that want him to be like LEbron james. What Lin has done is like being the jacke robinson of the NBA. that is the novel thing about him. to say that LOF are blowing Lin's status out of proportion is a farce. I haven't seen any other poster besides that guy on Ultimate Rockets that think Lin is a superstar. that is such a joke, that you LOH think that people who like Lin think like that.
PG's of Lin's ability and production are a dime a dozen in the league. That is why he is average to above average. Some nights he actually looks good, most nights he doesn't. As for your argument about mediocrity, I suppose I now need to ask this: what the hell do you think the definition of mediocrity is? It does not mean suck. It does not me bad. It makes not good or average, which is precisely what Lin is. If Lin was a good PG, NY would not have let him go for the contract. Good PG's are much harder to come by. Hell, the pick we got from Lowry help net us Harden who is a star. Let's get one thing clear here. Parsons is not a star. He may one day make it into the All-Stars due to his popularity, but he is a very good role player at best. He lacks the sheer physical dominance or talent that allows a player to step into stardom. This is not an insult to Parsons as he is is probably my current favorite player on the team, but rather my honest assessment of him. He is however much more intelligent than most players, has an extremely versatile swiss army knife skillset, and emotionally it seems a critical part to our team. I have seen Lin play. I have seen Harden play. What I know is that Harden is a far superior offensive player in comparison to Lin. Media, teams, and our own team the Rockets obviously believe this. That is why Harden has the max money, the ace role, and the ball in his hands at 4th. Does it always work out? No, but neither does it for Kobe as well. There is also a reason why Lin is in the 6th man role and not Harden. Harden is a star and on that note, when I say our star, I mean the ROCKETS'S star. I don't know if you realized but I am a Rockets fan and when I say our, I mean the team. Both Lin and Harden are naturally ball dominating guards. While we are at it, Lin is not a pure PG either. He is what we call a combo guard in this league, which is not a bad thing at all. A pure PG is someone like Nash or Rondo or Kidd. Lin's primary strength is scoring. His constant pressure in trying to penetrate to the rim will hopefully eventually break down opposing D's and open up his playmaking ability. In this aspect, he is basically identical to Harden, except for the fact that Harden is much better at penetrating than Lin. This is also the reason why both are so good at PnR as it enhances their ability to crack open opposing D's. This is why I say Harden largely makes Lin redundant; they both play a similar aggressive penetrating style that hugely benefits from a PnR play. I honestly feel once Bev comes back, Lin can return to picking apart opposing secondaries, assuming his head is still checked in at that point. Weapons are great to have, but there is a time and place for everything. Lin's time as a weapon with his own skillsets is usually when Harden is sitting down.
On the topic of star, since there is often confusion about the term star depending on if one considers stars by popularity/influence or ability. I am the latter. I could care less if someone is popular, that does not make them a star IMO. From an ability standpoint, they have to have at least 3-4 weapons to be considered a star. A weapon can be anything as specific as a type of offensive move to something more vague like superior physical ability (Dwight Howard/Lebron James). The point is, a player needs to have at least 3-4 weapons at an elite level. I just do not see that with Lin personally. Now that said, weapons can also be acquired through training and existing weapons can be polished through experience, which is why I am willing to leave the door open for Lin to maybe eventually scratch that door. I for one believe in a future of endless hope and possibilities, though I do not lose sight of what is logical or reasonable.
I don't think PG's can replicate Lin's speed, acceleration and playmaking. IT, Teague, George Hill do not do what Lin can do. Lin can also play defense and shut down the better PG's in the league like Conley, Holiday, and Parker. So We've seen Lin do very well recently playing D. and that is something not measured on the stats sheet. NY let Lin go for their own reasons. Obviously, we see that NY made a mistake since their record and chemistry are off this year. we do not know what is going on in the war room of Dolan and company. Good PG's are hard to come by. THat's why it would be ashame to not to try to develop Lin which you were against and explicitly said in previous posts. Perhaps you're right about Parsons. I just love how he's good at everything. He does everything well, and he long and imposing. His stats are pretty good, but i have to admit his b-ball IQ needs to improve. I believe his experience will increase his awareness on the floor. As reducing TO's. making bad passes. guarding the wrong man. I certainly believe that Parsons is playing like an all-star this year. 17.2 ppg, 5 RPG shooting over 50 % from the field is impressive. not many SF's can do that in the NBA. ummm, everyone has seen harden and Lin play. they are different Players. Harden is more efficient offensively but he does not have the passing skill set of a lIn. Lin is capable of getting 15 assists in a game. Harden does not have the capability of being reponsible for 15 assists or 10 assits which is about 20 points in a game. Harden is also TO prone and his defense could improve. As well, Harden can get shut down by larger small fowards like George, or igudala. I don't think Harden is the ace as you say, if he can be gameplanned for and shut down by better defensive small fowards. my assessment of him still seems more accurate and each player have their strengths and weaknesses. Harden is not the ace of the Rockets. He's probably their best player, but he's not a superstar at this point. Otherwise, Harden would play better D, be a better passer, not turnover the ball. The reason why Harden has max money is because Morey and ALexander gave it to him. Harden played well in the playoffs and it seems like a good gamble to get Harden who was young. But, if i had my choices, i would rather have paul george, or Kevin Durant for that kind of money. It's not a bad decision to give max money to Harden, but resigining parsons will be hard to accomplish if Parsons averages 20 PPG this year, which is possible. As well, Our is not defined, by your fanbase. Since the fan base is split over the evaluation of Lin's ability. As for the rockets frong office, they do what they please. Unless enough pressure is placed on the front office by the revolt of protest of fans, the front office will make moves on their terms. It does not matter what the fans think. Please, let's not compare Harden to Kobe yet. Kobe was a two way elite player that is a top 10 player in the history of the NBA. Even Kobe needed excellent players to supplement the roster. Like Ron Harper, Shaq who is even more dominant than Kobe ever was, Fisher, Horry, Odom, etcetera. The league needs stars, but also good supporting roles. I would say that Howard is more deserving of the word Star than Harden at this point. Harden hasn't accomplished anything that we would note at this juncture. It's not a bad analysis of Lin's ability, but you forget Lin's ability to pass to the open man. That is why Lin is a true PG, and harden isn't. Harden does not have that ability to magically find the open man or manipulate a defense to create space for team-mates. In college, i would you were right about Lin at Harvard. Lin played a SG role, and did well as playing combo position. It helped Harvard tremendously. but when Lin refined his role in the NBA, he showed that he can get 15 assits in a game, what a PG needs to do. Lin has shown, now that he can defend good PGs in the game. those 15 assists against the Kings or 13 assists against the bucks, 11 assists against the raptors was not a fluke. It proved that Lin could play the PG adequately. that is why Lin is the better PG and should run the floor, while Harden gets to space teh floor and creates a slasher role for the Rockets. I still disagree that Harden makes Lin redundant. Both of these players can co-exist and make each better, if given the opportunity. That has yet to be given, that is the opportunity for Lin to play Point and Harden the 2 guard.
If I actually considered Lin good, I would be more willing to have us slowly develop him off on the side over time. The thing is, I don't consider him good enough to be anything more than just another role player, much like Parsons. If they develop it will have to be on their own time with their own abilities. Parsons is a very good role player. He does a lot of things well, but little to none at an elite level. He does not score at an elite level. His one on one anything is not on an elite level. His shooting while very efficient, is not on an elite level. He is your classic jack of all trades but master of none type player. Is Lin a better passer than Harden? Yes, I believe so. Is he a much better passer? I honestly don't think so. He makes too many dumb mistakes. On the other hand, Harden is a much more superior offensive scorer and that is far more important to this team than what Lin offers as a starter. Morey gave Harden max money because Morey believes he is a star and that is all that matters. At the end of the day, our opinions means squat. It just so happens that mine is in line with the only ones that matter. If Morey believed Lin could be a star, he would have offered him max money too, not just what was needed to try to force NY's hand. The fact that you do not consider Harden our team's ace is hilarious and speaks much about your knowledge of basketball and our team. The team's fan base are not divided on Lin. From all the fans I spoke with and know and from what I seen from real Rockets fans on this site, there is no division. Lin is considered average to above-average by the vast, vast majority of us, hence our strong disgust towards Lin's fan base who I would love to see pick up and leave. Very few superstars were two way players and I never said Harden was a superstar, just a star. My point with Kobe is that Kobe is largely considered the best SG (before injuries) since Jordan and his clutch shot percentage is not very high. That said, I agree that Harden's D is usually lacking and really needs to improve if he wants to make a bigger name for himself in this league. Passing to the open man? Seriously? That is the absolute minimum requirement to play PG in this league. Harden knows how to do that and can do it just as easily. Whether he actually wants to or not is a different story. Hell, even AB (lousy PG that he is) can pass to the open man. Lin is a combo guard because shooting is his strength. Just because he looks to help others score more often does not make him a pure PG. Lin might be a better PG than Harden, but he is not a better guard or scorer than Harden. This means Harden still gets the ball and you know what, that's what stars do... they get the ball. It is also arguable just how much better at point Lin is than Harden, because I don't feel he is better by much. If Lin wants to develop with Harden, it needs to be in practice. I see no point wasting game minutes on trying to help Lin get better.
Let me ask you this question: what is a combo guard? Heck, I really think that people analyze the so called "Point Guard" term very wrong. What is a "point"? The guy who always handle the ball? Nope. The guy who bring the ball frontcourt? Not necessarily. Can someone give me a concise and clear definition? The answer is no. It actually depends. Different coach has different philosophies about Point or Combo Guard. Heck, some coach don't even have a combo guard word in their dictionary. Go google what is a "combo guard". Kansas Jayhawks coach Bill Self has his own definition about Combo Guard. He said "Combo guard is someone who has Shooting guard skill in Point Guard body". You may laugh at this. But that is how silly the definition of "Combo Guard". If you force me to give you my definition, Combo Guard is a popular term "tweener" who plays the 1 spot. Steph Curry is a combo guard. Russell Westbrook is a combo guard. Bledsoe is a combo guard. It doesn't seem to come out wrong and that is indeed the most popular definition. But in my own dictionary, I don't like the word Combo Guard. It might be oriented in a way that Scoring Guard were mostly tall like Kobe and Jordan not small like Aaron Brooks and Jeremy Lin. But NBA has evolved so much that there are indeed a large pool of different skillsets. But let's go back to the topic: what is a "Point"? How do you define it?? To me, "Point" is someone who is the primary perimeter Pick and Roll threat and the focal point of the offense. Wait, just wait. Let's see an example. San Antonio Spurs. Is Tony Parker a "Point"? Well, this question seems lacking knowledge at the beginning. Let me rephrase it again? In Popovich's basketball philosophy, is Tony Parker a "Point"? Yes. An evidence to call that may bethat many analysts also have called Ginobli a point too in Pop's philosophy. It is the main pick and roll threat and focal point on offense. Maybe that is an underlying truth that explains why Ginobli is a sixth man on Spurs' team. But different teams and coaches have different ways of analyzing players. And to compare oranges to apples doesn't seem like a good way of arguing in a public forum. Basketball positions have evolved so much and many skillsets are owned by players in all sizes. Position in the NBA right now is just about size and matchup. That is why we see fewer and fewer traditional point guards. That is why we see fewer and fewer traditional centers. Now Centers can stretch the floor and shoot 3s. We see Point Guards can do it all and leading the league one year in scoring in the paint-Tony Parker. Maybe part of my philosophy has evolved too. I see Lin a point. I see Tracy McGrady a point forward. I see Lebron playing the point. Basketball! Basketball!
The team's fan base are not divided on Lin. From all the fans I spoke with and know and from what I seen from real Rockets fans on this site, there is no division. Lin is considered average to above-average by the vast, vast majority of us, hence our strong disgust towards Lin's fan base who I would love to see pick up and leave. I think the fan base is definitely divided over Lin. you see it on CLutch fans and ultimate rockets. there are those that think Lin will never amount to anything than a mediocore player in the NBA. and Those that think that in can get better. Your analysis of Parsons is interesting, though i do disagree. He has been improving every year, and I really think he can become an allstar becasue of his under-rated athleticism and potential to get smarter in the game of basketball. Plus at 6'9 with that speed, he is a dangerous weapon that is only getting better. But i do respect you evaluation on parsons. I have no disagreements about the power of Harden's game. He gets to the line, he very efficient and he's even a good shooter and decent passer. I do think you under-rate Lin a bit, where Lin's passing is clearly superior to Harden. I don't know exactly how much so, but i do see Lin create space for other team-mates. He creates havoc and finds seems for Jones, and Howard. He finds the open shooters ike Casspi, Harden, or brooks, or Garcia I would like to see game time chemistry develop with Lin and Harden on the floor together. I think they would be a dynamic duo with Howard being the side-kick. You may think it's a waste of time. I on the other hand would like to at least experiment in the regular season. It's not like the NFL where every game is important. There is room to experiment rotations and plays. Harden being the Ace of the Rockets is debateable. He's a great player, and i think he has the ability to be the guy that carry the rockets deep into the playoffs. But really, I've seen Dwight to it on a weaker team, athough the weakstern conference is not much to brag about really. Plus, i love how Parsons seems to captain this ship. I consider him more of a captain and leader. Now being an ace, harden can be gameplanned for. that is something that we know now. He can be slowed down by Lebron, George, Igudala, and fast Sfs with length on Harden. It' snot crazy to say that Harden is not an Ace, but more of a King. But if the Rockets have 3 Kings and a Queen, i think it's pretty darn impressive. Than 1 Ace, in Lebron, one King in wade, and one queen in Bosh. we'll see what happens
what do you think will happen to Parsons this summer? Decline his option and make him to the Restricted FA market? Get ready for big chunks of money.
lol how the hell did this harden vs lin debate start? It's more like BEV vs Lin. And the question of fit. Which rears up the question. Harden's need for BEV due to him coasting it on Defence. We all know Harden can play D. The team needs everyone toy play D. Harden got to play D and cut down his minutes. I want to see him healthy in the playoffs, not some limping wreck.
seriously just look at the injury list . Harden down .. Parsons ... BEV ... Lin ....Smith .... lol Asik (fake injury) I am worried folks
