Lieberman: "There is no humanitarian crisis in the Gaza Strip"

A good site for those who want to read mainly by Jewish folks who seem to be drifting away from Zionism. A good compndium of intelligent thinking on the Middle East. mondoweiss.net

 

Please educate yourself on Judaism before claiming to understand how jews should understand Zionism and Israel. You are a broken record on this.

At least 1/2 of your posts is a rehash of the same freaking thing about how you don't believe there should be a jewish homeland run by jews.

 

I can certainly understand a site in which more progressive Jews are not supporting Israel right or wrong might be especially irritating to you.

 

That doesn't irritate me one bit... just your ignorance, lack of knowledge, repetitiveness and failure to realize that your point of view is a large part of the problem.

 

look into jstreet, interesting and different perspective, upcoming

 

Oh well, what can I say. Some might feel the same way about you.

Care to add anything of substance? So do you support Israel's response to the flotilla when the 9 lives were lost?

 

Not to derail, but your posts are usually more closely rooted in reality, and I respect your positions. This one is not.

 

This is an interesting organization also. According to Chievous we are not allowed to have opinions wrt to them because we are not Jews. I don't think we should follow his advice.

Let's hope J street gives AIPAC and JINSA ( an interesting militaristic Jewish American group) a run for the money.

I was appalled a couple of years ago when I went to a JINSA meeting invited by a non-Jewish elected official who was going to their meeting.

 

You don't have to say anything. Research the importance of Israel and Zionism to jews... as a whole. My personal opinion on the matter is of no relevance.

Do I support the response? I think they should have waited to raid once the flotilla hit Israeli waters. The blockade is set up to prevent arms from coming in. Do you find it strange that only 1 out of 7 flotillas (the initial 6 and the most recent Irish one) saw any fatalities? Do you think the "peace activists" on that boat should have armed themselves with metal bars and knives? There is certainly some grey area here.

Do you fault Hamas for not letting aid in that came through the Ashdod port?

If you could put the blame on the plight of Palestinians, on a group of people... who would you blame?

1. 100% Israel/0% Palestinian militant groups (Hamas/Hezbullah/Islamic Jihad, etc).
2. 50% Israel/50% militant groups.
3. 33% Israel/33% militant groups/33% neighboring countries (shall we discuss how they have treated palestinians in the past?).

Feel free to add more if you like. I personally believe that the blame falls along the lines of #3. We are all to blame here.

1. Israel - Because of the violence (some of which is started by jews), the hardliner, right winged folks have come to power in the name of security. The socialists/left wing (eg: those who live(d) on kibutzim) groups are losing their voice.. and there are plenty there. They do not care for war and they do want a zionist country that lives along side peaceful neighbors. Also, due to harsh propaganda against zionism, which has led for some people to believe that zionism should be wiped off the face of the earth, only strengthens the right wing.

2. Militant groups - These groups are the product of corrupt leadership, propaganda, religious extremism and the right-winged policies of the Israeli government. First they started with countless car bombings and suicide bombings. The Israelis then cut off the borders to prevent these bombings... then the international community blames the Israelis for doing so. Then you have rocket fire that eventually led to the war with Lebanon. Israel took further measures to prevent the import rockets and/or the materials to make them (the current blockade). Once again, the international community is kicking and screaming at Israel to stop this blockade.

I am pleased that people are trying to help the Palestinians. They deserve a fair chance at life and the pursuit of happiness. Those who turn to violence will only be met by violence and death. This goes for both sides.

Threatening the existence of Israel, as a zionist entity, only hurts the palestinians. Disarming the militants and protesting through peaceful means is the only way we can help both sides equally.

 

Wow... do not put words in my mouth.

I only said to research the importance of Israel and Zionism to jews. The only thing you ever come to the table with is that you don't support the current jewish state of Israel.

 

Arab nations should just deal with it since the UN voted to create the state, or plead for any nation to declare war on Israel and throw the first strike instead of talk.

 

Carry on.

 

Not that the ban on that isn't r****ded... but what does a ban on coriander have to do with a humanitarian crisis?

 

It suggests that there is more to the blockade than simply security.

 

No problem with that, but that's not what you said in your original post quoted in my response.