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Lieberman: "There is no humanitarian crisis in the Gaza Strip"

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Mathloom, May 30, 2010.

  1. pippendagimp

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    I for one commend the Israeli Naval Forces for showing benevolent restraint here and not opting to nuke these violent Flotilla aggressors into the Mediterranean seabed.
     
  2. saitou

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    Israel is seriously out of touch with reality. Even if they genuine thought killing people would be "justifiable" for whatever reasons, they have underestimated the political/PR cost of doing so.
     
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    This is what you get for attacking soldiers with bats and knives, the international media is showing only one side. The r****ds on those ship started to fight first. Four soldiers were injured before they started to fire .
     
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    wth? The Israeli's killed people aboard a humanitarian ship. That's pretty low even for the Zionists.
     
  5. Barak

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    I wonder what the USA marines would have done if people abroad a humaniteriane ship would attack them with knives and bats and injure them badly. What did those guys expect?

    The media in Israel is stating that some of the guys on the ships hoarded the soldiers and took thier weapons so they retaliated. I hope the IDF filmed it so the truth will get out.
     
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    ****ing bastards.

    This angers the **** out of me. Its really so so so so ****ing sad that humanitarians out of all people face this kind of attrocity.

    Bless them all and their families, doing noble work in the face of such a brutal regime deserves much respect.
     
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    Source required.
     
  8. LosPollosHermanos

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    why is it the case that its so hard for "Everyone" to bring supplies? Get your head out of your ass puppet.
     
  9. Mathloom

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    It is confirmed across many sources that the humanitarians carried knives. Whether they were put to use is being reported in some places.

    Still, the force used is excessive. No matter what anyone says, the amount of force used is excessive.

    15 people were shot dead by the Israeli commandoes to ensure that cement and electric wheelchairs do not enter Gaza as per the terms they have listed in the blockade.

    Shame on anyone who pulled a knife or a club or whatever. Shame on these idiots for not streaming the whole thing live on the internet. But most of all, shame on the people who shot 15 people dead, ending lives dedicated to delivering basic goods to a group of poor and incarcerated humans.

    Israel is currently out of control. The Israeli people and the American government must hold the Israeli government accountable and make sure they understand their duties.

    I'm sure we can also plaster this wall with idiotic moves by Palestinian people. But at the moment, it is important for us all to reach out to the Israeli people and ask for them to hold their own leaders accoutable internally. It has been WAY out of hand recently.
     
  10. Hydhypedplaya

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    Doesn't really matter what happened. Israeli forces boarding a humanitarian vessel in, not Israeli or Gazan waters, but international waters. They are looking at huge legal issues now. Forcefully boarding a ship in international waters is a violation of international law.
     
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    I really doubt they are facing "huge legal issues". No one will get prosecuted for this.
     
  12. Hydhypedplaya

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    Well yeah... it's Israel.

    But what they did was tantamount to piracy. It would be no different than any other group trying to forcefully board a ship in international waters.
     
  13. madmonkey37

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    Not surprised something like this happened, Israel was in a lose-lose position ever since this freedom flotilla business started. It was a matter of if the bad PR could be contained when the Israelis boarded and diverted the ships elsewhere, but now the dead bodies changes a lot of things.

    On the other this is probably the 2nd best outcome (the best being breaking the blockade and setting a precedent for other ships to follow) for these peace activist. They'll get widespread outrage from around the world that hasn't been seen before and the international pressure will be ratcheted up.

    You can blame Israel all you want and they do deserve most of the blame, but this freedom flotilla knew that Israel was going to intervene. It was a very clever PR stunt from the beginning.
     
  14. Mathloom

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    Intervening does not, and should not, mean shooting 15-20 people dead in international waters.

    To put it simply, Israel broke international law by boarding the ship in the first place. The fact that they were allowed to do so was because the flotilla was defenseless to their threats. When they board the ship illegally thorugh intimidation with weapons, that is already a huge error.

    No denying the flotilla was a clever way to bring attention to Gaza. But for me, the results remain shocking because I expected Israel to do exactly what it said it would do - escort the flotilla to another location.

    The stupidity of this thing is apparent in the LIES about how they would clear the cargo at a nearby port and allow them through. That's a load of hogwash because Israel does not allow cement and wheelchairs into the Gaza strip and stated a few days ago that their position would not change in response to this flotilla.

    Essentially, there is no way those things are going to get to Gaza, and the price that Israel is willing to put on these terms and conditions is 15-20 lives out of 700.

    If anyone of the crew members pulled a gun, I condemn the action of pulling the gun.

    If anyone attacked with a knife or club, then I condemn them, but in this case it doesn't justify the murder of 15-20 people which was brough on by the illegal action of stepping on the boat in the first place. What were they going to do, THROW knives and clubs?

    Sorry, this is terrible. Also, this is a fantastic excuse for Israel to push terrorists to do something which kills the peace process.

    We forget that, ultimately, there are people in Gaza in need of a FREAKING WHEELCHAIR.
     
  15. pippendagimp

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    Lost in your own fanatical vortex you are missing the point entirely. Metal wheelchairs can all be melted down together and then re-forged into tanks. This is a threat against the security of Israel. Why can't you understand that these radical paraplegics want to push Israel into the sea? :eek:
     
  16. Mathloom

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    How could I forget..

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    Difficult to understand what happened there, but it seems like violence was first used by the people on the ship? Still, with having seen only superficial information, killing that many people sounds excessive.
     
  18. Ubiquitin

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    Based on reports from Israel, the IDF were acting in self-defense against "knives, sticks, gunfire". Now for knives and sticks to be effective, the IDF would need to be in close combat, right? And the gunfire came from pistols, but aren't pistols more likely to be used for close range combat? I would give Israel the benefit of the doubt if violence happened first then they boarded. It would seem, based on reports, however, troops boarded the ship and violence followed.
     
  19. Mathloom

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    If someone tresspasses, it's ok to defend yourself.

    Given that they were in international waters, I wouldn't be surprised if the flotilla decided to defend itself from people who are illegally boarding the ship.

    As you stated, the death toll is excessive in all cases. In fact any need for violence is excessive in this case, from any side.
     
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    One of THE most important things about this whole thing...

     

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