Lieberman: "There is no humanitarian crisis in the Gaza Strip"

Except Israel is gimping the aid before it arrives. It's a PR stunt for Israel.

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=177320

 

I agree they have done things like expanding existing settlements but at the same time have pulled out a much of the West Bank. As I said before they are not doing so in a way that allows the Palestinians to set up a state. Overall what they are doing is consolidating not expanding. The Israelis recognize that they cannot hold onto the whole or most of the West Bank.

 

And those on the boats had the right to fight back.
From the article you linked to earlier.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100602/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_raid_reconstruction
[rquoter]Paech could not see what was happening on the top deck.

"I don't deny that in the fighting some of them were using some of the weapons they've been showing on TV now, like the slingshot or the hatchets," he said. "But don't forget that the Israelis attacked us in international waters. According to international law, you're allowed to defend yourself when you get attacked."
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did he just suggest that there isnt a humanitarian crisis in Gaza?

As he says, "No one is starving in Gaza" What a ****ing idiot.

 

Link??

 

Of course that is after the fact of rockets being fired from Gaza.

 

http://www.jta.org/news/article/2010/06/02/2739397/cargo-from-flotilla-ships-enters-gaza

Hamas refuses cargo from flotilla ships
June 2, 2010

JERUSALEM (JTA) -- Hamas has refused to accept the aid brought by a Gaza-bound flotilla intercepted by Israel.

Israel said Tuesday that dozens of trucks loaded with cargo from three of the ships arrived at the Kerem Shalom border crossing with Gaza and were ready to enter.

But the following day, Hamas Social Affairs Minister Ahmad al-Kurd told reporters that it would accept the aid only if it entered "without anything being stolen from the activists, and without any exceptions."

"This includes the prefabricated homes, the cement, the iron and the electric generators," he said.

Israel has prevented such equipment from entering Gaza, saying it could be used by Hamas to build bunkers and other military installations in the strip. Hamas took over the coastal strip three years ago, and Israel since then has been in armed conflict with the terrorist group.

 

Why is Hamas not letting the humanitarian aid to reach the palestinians?? So is it going to be returned to Turkey??

 

Of course. Then again, carpet bombing the Gaza Strip to hell would stop the rockets once and for all.

 

I'm sure theres a few people who are starving, but the vast majority aren't.

 

There was breaking news on Good Morning America that one of those killed in the raid was a 19 year old American shot 5 times at close range.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/06/03/american-reportedly-killed-gaza-flotilla-raid/

 

This an interesting article that shows how Israeli Zionism is starting to lose many adherents among Jews in the US-- particularly younger Jews. This could be an encouraging sign for peace eventually.

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These opposing perspectives reflect a genuine rift within the American Jewish community -- or, perhaps, between American Jewry's two increasingly distinct communities. On one side are the venerable Jewish organizations unwilling to criticize the Israeli government for its increasing elevation of ethnocentricity over democracy; Orthodox Jews for whom such ethnocentricity is often central to their lives; and the small, hardy band of neoconservatives for whom this fight over Israel's character is just one more front in their ongoing war against fellow Jews whose liberalism drives them batty.


On the other side are a growing number of those Jewish liberals and a clear majority of younger American Jews. Former New Republic editor Peter Beinart published an important essay on this generational rift in the June 10 issue of the New York Review of Books. He begins with an account of focus groups that Republican pollster Frank Luntz held with American Jewish college students in 2003, in which it became quickly apparent that their thoughts, even as they discussed their Jewishness, seldom if ever turned to Israel. The only Zionism that the students could support, writes Beinart, was one "that recognized Palestinians as deserving of dignity and capable of peace, and they were quite willing to condemn an Israeli government that did not share those beliefs." They held, in short, the abiding beliefs of liberal American Jews in human rights, multiculturalism and skepticism toward military solutions, "and in their innocence," writes Beinart, "they did not realize that they were supposed to shed those values when it came to Israel."
These college students, however, are not the only young American Jews. A 2006 poll sponsored by the American Jewish Committee showed that while 60 percent of non-Orthodox American Jews under 40 backed a Palestinian state, just 25 percent of their Orthodox counterparts did. "Particularly in the younger generations," Beinart concludes, "fewer and fewer American Jewish liberals are Zionists; fewer and fewer American Jewish Zionists are liberal."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/01/AR2010060102547.html

 

Tried to rep you for this fact filled post that directly addressed the argument at hand.

 

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Who is starving in Gaza and how is Israel responsible?

 

I must have missed it, but what is the explanation on this?

 

Israel has blockaded Gaza and determines what supplies are allowed to come in and what isn't. They are responsible. If you want to get deeper into the issue, then you need to look at the fact that there is a military order for any Palestinian business that competes with an Israeli business to be destroyed and disallowed.

As to who is starving, look at the stats provided by Mathloom.

 

Turkey is run by their NATO membered military. That's why even after all the fierce rhetoric by Erdogan this week, Turkey is still honoring their military contracts with Israel to purchase 100's of millions $'s worth of aircraft and weapons systems.

And if you believe the story reported about a year ago (that a Turkish group in cooperation with Mossad conspired to assassinate Erdogan in a coup attempt) then it's clear that Erdogan is not wanted by many. The Turkish armed forces openly guarantee a secular state for their nation while Erdogan is a staunch Islamist.