Lieberman: "There is no humanitarian crisis in the Gaza Strip"

Well we can easily see what side Ottomaton would have been on when it came to civil rights in the US or opposing apartheid in South African etc. . It was so "inflaming" and immoderate to have a march on Washington or in Selma Alabama. A boycott of South African would have just have just inflamed the Afrikanners who were at an "inflexion" point.

 

Well we can clearly see what side glynch would have been on when it came to dealing with Jews in Nazi Germany.

 

Amos Oz says it well...

 

Yeah being for civil rights in the US or opposing Aparthheid was like being in favor of the Holocaust. After all they are all positions on political events.

BTW if the US would stop supporting Israel economically or the rest of the world would pressure Israel to the point where there living standards started falling substantially, you would have Israelis moving toward justice for the Palsestinians, despite their tender fears that all are against them or that they may be at an inflection point.

 

Mr.Clutch has been known to break out the humor, especially as a parody. He was just told another poster would have been pro-Apartheid, and anti Civil Rights in the US, so he upped the ante. In my view, FTW.

 

These two posters along with the other lefties on this board are what I called USEFUL IDIOTS!

Thanks for the good fight Around The World, I resigned to the fact that I will never ever have a meaningful dialogue with people who are too emotional!

 

^^^^comedy!

 

yes the detached method of discussing issues is best. Like the unemotional calling people idiots.

While I post over emotional facts, research, and history in my posts, you are wisely stoic, and logically calling folks idiots, claiming that educators are the dumbest people in the nation and things like that.

You are without a doubt one of the greatest posters this boards has ever seen. I'm serious.

 

Hydhypedplaya
RM95
Batman Jones

etc. etc.

I haven't seen you speak up when they did it.

 

They haven't claimed to be purely unemotional in discussions like the spock-like esteban.

 

"Peace Activists" had stun grenades? What is the law regarding countries boarding ships in international waters that contained weapons heading into its waters?

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Except there are far more Arabs in the region than Israelis and just taking Israel / Palestine the demographics aren't in favor.

Except that the Israelis haven't reoccupied Gaza. They are maintaining a blockade and launching incursions but there is no attempt to actually retake it. At the sametime Israel is moving unilaterarlly to withdraw from a lot of the West Bank. While they are doing so in a way that makes it very difficult for the Palestinians to develop a viable state this trend is continuing and it is clear that Israel realizes that occupation is a longterm loser.

 

This is really it in a nutshell and the tragedy of the situation. Rabin's courage could've been matched by Arafat, who was afraid of being assasinated by one of his own people as Rabin had been by an Israeli. Rabin was the last leader of either side that truly embraced the Peace of the Brave and saddly he ended up paying for it with his life.

 

Israel likely would've been defeated in 1973 except for US aid and was defeated in Lebanon in 2006.

 

If that is a stun grenade it looks very weak. Plus if this really was a well armed ship of fighters why is only one thrown and why throw things like plates and chairs when you have more powerful weapons.

The rest of the stuff doesn't appear to be improvised weapons and not things specifically designed to do harm. Anyway as noted by other posters if you have people who have been shooting at you and are now coming to board you in international waters I suspect you aren't going to roll out the red carpet for them.

 

To me it looks like the stun grenades were thrown by the commandos but ended up falling back on them.

 

rocketsjudoka -

I agree with what you are saying....BUT.

There's always a BUT, right. I just don't think this is a group of humanitarian activists concerned about being "attacked" and "killed", but rather a group of humanitarian activists who think they are staging a protest for the world to see. Meaning, I don't feel like they felt threatened physically by the IDF, but more threatened by the fact that the IDF was there to take over the boat and turn them back, and as such it was these activists "duty" to stage a protest, with as you noted "weak" stun grenades and chairs and metal chains, and film it, and take pictures, and etc., etc.

I mean, again, clearly this was being well filmed and documented, and it looks like you see a camera man sneak his head out with a camera and bright light at one point.

While I'd agree it's not like they were shooting rockets at the IDF, it also doesn't appear to be some kind of spur of the moment improvisation. These guys wanted to have something to show for their flotilla, even if that something was just video of them being wrongfully "attacked" and their subsequent valiant efforts to keep the ship going towards its goal.

Whereas what ultimately happened was the ship was eventually boarded, and weak as they may be, stun grenades, and metal pipes and metal chains can can serious violent harm, and the end result was gunfire and death.

 

They most assuredly are not. They have announced that they are "halting expansion" in some areas, but even then, the growth continues, by "expanding existing structures". They are in no way withdrawing from the West Bank.

I sincerely wish they were. That would be great news.