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libertarian koch brothers support herman cain over libertarian ron paul

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  1. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Well, either way, enough's probably enough. :grin:
     
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    Ron Paul supports state's rights on abortion, just like legalizing mar1juana etc. That way Obama's violent thugs cant keep terrorizing the citizens in state's where it been voted legal, like what is happening in California.
     
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  4. Carl Herrera

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    Koch probably support Cain over Paul now because Cain has a shot of actually getting the nomination. Paul's appeal is too limited, particularly with certain parts of the base.

    You have to be realistic.
     
    #24 Carl Herrera, Oct 18, 2011
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    Cain seems like a lap-dog for big $$ and Kock.
     
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    U seem like a racist! A racist, I say!
     
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  8. jo mama

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    where was the answer? care to address the article which you posted or are you just going to go full on basso on us?

    i know your job as a "lawyer" allows you enough time to check into clutchfans about 50 times a day, but it seems like if you didnt care about this topic you wouldnt have bothered reading, let alone posting here.
     
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    but from what i understand the koch brothers are at the forefront of the libertarian movement. many even consider them the leaders and chief fundraisers of libertarians and libertarian causes...so why would they support a candidate who is totally opposed to most of the key libertarian issues? why would they donate to over 100 politicians and not give anything to ron paul, who most would acknowledge as libertarian soul brother #1?

    the koch brothers support of cain over paul would be like george soros or sean penn voting for mccain in 2008. it wouldnt make sense...unless...they arent really libertarians!
     
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    if they actually supported candidates and movements which were inline w/ those ideas than i would applaud the koch brothers, but the fact is that they support candidates who are opposed to them.
     
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    wow! you made it thru and entire post w/out regurgitating your favorite buzz word...trickle down.

    otherwise, you have demonstrated time and time again that you are clueless when it comes to libertarianism or pauls basic policy positions so ill let your post speak for itself.
     
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    so you think a candidate w/ a multitude of policy positions that are diametrically opposed to basic libertarian ideology can be remolded into someone who will become an advocate of libertarianism?

    and why would the libertarian koch brothers want to control the libertarian paul? paul is pretty much inline w/ libertarian ideas so if the koch brothers are hardcore libertarians why wouldnt they just support paul. why would they want to "control" someone who agrees with them and will already be doing exactly what they want?

    it just doesnt make sense...unless...the koch brothers arent really libertarians!
     
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    went to this wild bachelor party once where we were all doing koch off this stippers koch...wild times!
     
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    so you believe that these hardcore libertarian koch brothers will support a candidate who is opposed to most key libertarian issues b/c they dont think the more libertarian candidate can win?

    i dont know the koch brothers personally so i cant question their motives, but that seems incredibly far fetched.
     
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    quite frankly, im not only surprised...im shocked.

    everyone knows that the koch brothers are huge libertarians. one of them even ran for president as a libertarian in 1980. they literally ooze libertarianism.

    so i am just flabbergasted that they would support herman cain, who is pushing very unlibertarian positions. infact, cain is basically towing the neo-con/GOP line. so why would these uberlibertarians support him over paul, who most people recognize as the premier libertarian in american politics?

    it just doesnt make sense...unless...the libertarian koch brothers are not really libertarians!
     
    #35 jo mama, Oct 18, 2011
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    Bingo.
     
    #36 glynch, Oct 18, 2011
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    Hmm, I guess I'll explain it again. (and for the record, I didn't really bother reading, but I get the gist from skimming).

    The reason why the libertarioan Koch-suckas are funneling cash to Cain is some dumb intra-libertarian thumbwar between the Libertarian Kochs and the Paulistas dating back to the 1980's about who the REAL libertarian is, based on snubs real and imagined, and the Paulistas (resulting?) rabid obsession with Libertarian Ideological Purity Testing - Exhibit A being you, in this regard.

    I'm not sure why you're purportedly confused by the spectacle of intra-movement squabbling and factionalism. It kind of happens in pretty much every single one ever in history. Again, exhibit A being your attempts to expunge them from your beloved movement - communism had lots ideological purges there, snowball.
     
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    Combo breaker.

    You just stopped what was a record breaking eight straight posts by jo mama.
     
    #38 Rashmon, Oct 18, 2011
  19. glynch

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    I don't think so, but I do understand you don't like it when I cite certan positions by Ron Paul and libertarians that sort of violate the cool factor.

    So again, why is Ron Paul trying to change state law in Iowa and make the state government pass laws that prohibit abortions among freely choosing adult citizens?

    I guess you will just claim that Ron Paul is not a true libertarian.
     
    #39 glynch, Oct 18, 2011
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    If you work from the premise that a fetus is a life it is no longer a violation of libertarian principles to be against abortion or support outlawing it.
     
    #40 justtxyank, Oct 18, 2011
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