Liberals are corrupt, hateful, immoral and taking the country in the wrong direction

But Christian nationalism is on the fascist spectrum.

 

I think it's an emotional venting by Americans who definitely see/fear signs of either side trending towards authoritarianism.

9/11 and the Dub**** years spawned a craze with the zombie genre (still around) because of our fears of unknown threats or tragedies beyond our control. It was a collective outlet for armegeddon fears or domestic biological WMD attacks.

This is very similar, and it will likely to grow further beyond digital social media because our government is becoming more corrupt while social unrest and division is growing as well.

That's not to say we are a fascist or broken state beyond return. COVID-19 emergency restrictions have largely ramped down because of the people in charge were afraid of getting booted out. Elections could be rigged, but the existence of a Trump presidency means voting still matters and the weaknesses exposed by voting allegations generally drive further improvements into a voting system full of checks and redundancies.

Still, the idea that the tradition of peaceful power transfers relied upon a few key people like a State Comptroller, a VP, or even an election newsdesk calling things accurately/inaccurately/prematurely will give any sane person pause over how many steps we are away from a sudden coup.

It looks bad and depressing on the surface, but smarter people have argued this is a feature of our system's strength rather than a weakness. No authoritarian state will allow the same amount of scrutiny upon itself. Governments, like people, will screw up from time to time. This b****ing is just still a form of accountability, albeit a lazy and off-putting one.

 

Liberals are the TRUE Patriots of this country, every growth spurt, every great economy is under liberal leadership.

Every recession and depression is because of GOP give it to the rich policies.

Liberals take a longer view and think what is good for society overall.

Conservatives only care about themselves.

Liberals by and large are smarter, and more accomplished, and make better leaders.

Liberals are winning all over the world, over conservatives/facists.

Good for people everywhere.

DD

 

I can agree with a lot of that and our system including checks and balances are fragile but they have end up holding and with things like Jan 6. More
People realize how much they need to be guarded. I think the 2022 election did a lot to strengthen our system
With nearly all election denying candidates for Governor and Secretary of State losing. As we see with TX and the recent moves by the state legislature to take over Harris County’s elections there are still threats to democracy and we need to guard against them.

Thst thought isn’t my point. Is that we essentially abuse terms like “socialism” and “Fascism” through overuse and application to things that don’t apply. As this thread shows we abuse terms lien “Leftists”. Essentially they become just grab all terms for what we don’t like depending on the where someone is on the ideological spectrum.

 

I don’t believe Liberals are collectively more smarter than Conservatives. I do believe that many Conservatives have been overtaken by their extremes and have largely abandoned principles for power or out of cravenness.

There are still plenty of dumb liberals and smart conservatives.

 

Yeah I don't think it's an intelligence question but rather a belief system. What's intriguing to me is how much the right accuses the left of thing they are themselves guilty of. I'm sure the left does it too, but it really stands out from the right because of how dramatic it is.

 

Being woke doesn't harm anyone, but it's all you guys are concerned with. Crying over Bud Light, Disney, and pride flags is so ridiculous.

It blows my mind that I see more Republicans outraged over the FBI and DOJ than the criminal and coup planner Trump himself. I knew Trump couldn't be trusted. He is a compulsive liar and extreme narcissist who thinks he walks on water. He planned a coup in a desperate attempt to stay in power. The man still claims he won the election. He's delusional. He is unfit to serve. The GOP supports him. It's pathetic. He doesn't have an ounce of integrity.

Your party of predominantly white men enjoys the power of forcing young teens & girls to carry the baby of a pedophile rapist. There are over 32,101 rape-related pregnancies in the US annually.

I don't know why any woman, Veteran, or member of the LGBTQ community would ever vote Republican.

 

Don't forget the low iq trolls @bigtexxx will tell us it's us liberals are anti worker

 

I hate ethnoreligious fascists.

 

Can you explain the overuse of the term "fascism"?

 

Yes. as stated applying the term to things like tax breaks, deregulation or criticism of trans I don’t think is Fascist. For one Fascism involved more Government control over the economy and means of production. There were a lot of regulations in fascist countries and fascist governments did tax businesses support things like infrastructures and military projects.

While Fascism is far culturally conservative and held up traditional cultures that would also apply to countries and cultures tht were not fascist also. Fascism is socially conservative but I don’t think that means that social conservatism is fascist any more than social liberalism is Socialism.

 

It’s ok fchow, you can still use the word “fascism” 100 times a day like you want..no one is holding you back unless the government decides what is best for you
@AroundTheWorld

 

@deb4rockets - you are mentioning that wokes aren’t hurting anyone? What about the children? Do you have any kids…I would say no.

 

Maybe because Republicans are tougher on crime, for instance?

Look at San Francisco. It would need a different approach.

 

I've never seen someone saying someone advocating for deregulation or tax breaks as fascist.

Fascism again is an ideological and philosophical movement. It really isn't something the defines a inherent government structure and relationship between corporations and government. Fascists will take advantage of whatever system in place to advance their ideological goals of a traditional hierarchical system.

Someone in isolation criticizing some aspect of trans medical procedures and access to minors isn't fascist. Look at my history of threads I've created. I literally had a thread a few years back asking about the morality of minors receiving trans transitioning surgery. Do I think Nook is a fascist because he has some concerns? Of course not. ATW celebrating a poorly worded bill that is overly broad and gives too much discretion to political agents of the government to remove children from parents for the purpose of enforcing a traditional hiearchy is an example of a fascist thought. In fact it's probably one of the most on the nail examples that embodies the ideology of fascism in a nutshell.

Someone spending a dedicated amount of time just targeting trans people as scapegoats for a decaying society and reasons why your 9-6 work day that barely pays the necessities has fascist mindsets.

 

Example of real fascism..
What kind on nonsense is a “exit” tax ? Why should citizens be punished for failed local and state politicians? Jobs are destroyed by regulations -it’s complete chaos- the politicians have made it where it is deplorable to live there- people are getting out as fast as can be.

 

Breh how will the exit tax apply if a significant county wants to leave California ?
@tinman

 

Exit tax is a well-known concept by which countries try to prevent their largest taxpayers from going away to another country. Germany does this...if anyone holds more than 1 % in a company and moves out of the country, they will demand that you pay the tax on the current value of your shareholding in the company, even though there was no liquidity event. It's like an invisible "The Wall" to force you to stay. Fortunately, there are ways to deal with this.

I was unaware that individual states within a country were now trying to do this ****.

But not surprising. California and Germany are similar in terms of their socialist and authoritarian approach.
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If a country/state has to do this, it's a clear sign they have failed, and are well on their way to becoming a socialist entity.

No country or state wants the @fchowd0311 s of the world, who barely pay any taxes. They wouldn't care if he leaves. He probably gets more government transfer payments throughout his lifetime than he ever pays in taxes.

But they don't want the @AroundTheWorld s of the world to leave, who pay millions and millions in taxes...to subsidize the @fchowd0311 s of the world...who then attack the @AroundTheWorld s of the world for being "fascists".

lol

 

Governor Abbott is one cold man. He doesn't have an ounce of humanity. He runs his state as rich business owners, the NRA, & oil companies want. I wouldn't treat an animal as bad as he treats humans. There is no excuse for working anyone in scorching Texas heat without water breaks. None! There also is no excuse for keeping workers at the same minimum wage for 15 years, or ignoring the fact that we have millions who can't afford healthcare. Greed is what drives that party. There isn't anything Christian about the way they ignore those who need help most.