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Liberal hypocrisy exposed yet again. CNN has become the birther news network

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by bigtexxx, Aug 14, 2013.

  1. giddyup

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    There is no confusion when you "just say no."

    I'm not concerned about the middle school scribblings of a 13 YO boy but those forms are generally filled out by parents. Have these been de-bunked or do we "just say no?"

    Same for the grad school records. Isn't that one of the theories about why the school records of a top-notch scholar have been sealed?

    I'm not a hard-birther at all but was puzzled by the expense mounted by Obama to avoid providing the evidence needed-- half a million dollars as I recall and a year's delay or more.

    You might find the inquiries curious but not nearly as curious as the delay or outright refusal to come across with the evidence.
     
  2. GladiatoRowdy

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    His records are sealed because that is the law, a law called FERPA, which protects school records from anyone but the student. Obama's own mother couldn't get his grad school records without a document signed by Obama allowing her to do so.

    You're listening to and believing liars...

    http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/

    Obama proved his nationality to the satisfaction of the Federal Elections Commission by providing a birth certificate. After literally YEARS of people questioning the exact same documentation provided by Obama, Romney, Clinton, Bush (two of them), and Reagan, he brilliantly provided the long-form birth certificate timed just before a White House Correspondents' dinner where Trump was scheduled to make an appearance.

    The only people who have been curious about Obama's records after the Democratic primaries in 2008 (when he would have been ousted had his records been false) are people who believe the musings of liars.
     
  3. chrispbrown

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    And as no surprise big texxx has disappeared...
     
  4. Major

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    You seriously don't know whether citizenship is conferred or lost by what a parent writes on a school record? :confused:

    (Hint: the answer is NO, IT IS NOT.)

    If you don't believe me, feel free to try it as an experiment. Take one of your kids and write somewhere on one of their records that they are Canadian, and see if they suddenly become Canadian citizens and lose their US citizenship.
     
  5. CrazyDave

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    So it's ok to hound the president even after he's been under scrutiny and been approved by the commission, but you don't want Cruz to have to answer to it at all.

    Hypocrisy indeed.
     
  6. Rashmon

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    ...at you, not with you.

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  7. giddyup

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    C'mon, major. It didn't/doesn't have to stop there. That could be but a shred of evidence
     
  8. giddyup

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    So are you saying that Obama never did provide these records to dismiss this question?
     
  9. chrispbrown

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    Why does he need to?

    He graduated Magna c*m Laude from Harvard Law, meaning top 10% of his class. It's not like he was just scraping by. If it is not one thing it is another, go pick something meaningful to be concerned with.
     
  10. JuanValdez

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    No, it's pretty much the same thing. Obama's mother was a citizen, making Obama a citizen since birth. Cruz's mother was a citizen, making Cruz a citizen since birth. The only difference is that Obama was born on US soil and Cruz was not. If it is somehow decided that the US soil bit is what's important then Cruz is in trouble, but Obama is still fine. But, that won't happen anyway, leaving the 2 situations identical -- citizens since birth because of the nationality of their mothers.
     
  11. Major

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    It does have to stop there - because US Citizenship laws have nothing to do with local school records. You're just making things up and hoping things will stick - or maybe reading more chain emails and assuming they are true. Nothing you suggested is remotely true. There's no "maybe" or "it's possible" or anything of the sort. You're just wrong.

    Why not ask if it's possible that Obama was placed here on Earth by aliens, and they falsified all the necessary records and brainwashed everyone at the ti into thinking he was human? That is actually more possible than your scenario.
     
  12. Brandyon

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    A news organization with major party affiliations misleading the public with doublespeak?!

    Thanks, detective Zoobileezoo. You're indictment of half the problem will be useful in perpetuating the 2 party chokehold queezing any real choice from democracy.
     
  13. Dairy Ashford

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    When something is wrong, dumb and a waste of time, it really doesn't matter who did it first. How could anyone possibly want to go through this again?
     
  14. giddyup

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    It's not about the school records; they might just indicate something more since school records are generally filled out by adults. You don't have to go off the silly end protesting too much...
     
  15. giddyup

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    I believe it was records from Columbia that were in question-- not law school records.
     
  16. chrispbrown

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    Good enough there to get into Harvard Law, you know, the most prestigious university in the USA, if not the world.
     
  17. Major

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    Ah yes, of course. So now your argument is that something that you have zero evidence of might be evidence of something else that you have zero evidence of, and that's something we should wonder about. Does that summarize it well?

    Of course I don't have to. I could just let you continue to be an idiot that believes everything he reads on the internet, but I thought you might at least be interested in being corrected and learning something. My apologies - I will simply let you continue to be stupid going forward.

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  18. giddyup

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    It's not about grades. The issue was that the records indicated that he was on some kind of scholarship reserved for "foreign students."

    I'm such a hard-core "birther," I have no recollection if it was ever disproven or not... :grin:
     
  19. justtxyank

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    This whole "birther" set of theories is believed by only a tiny fraction of the most hardcore anti-Obama people that tend to have serious racial fears or Muslim paranoia. Whenever it got mainstream attention it only helped Obama because it made his opponents look like idiots.

    What helped even more was that many candidates were just deflect questions about the issue or answer in odd ways so that they would avoid upsetting the nutjobs who were voting in primaries. This all helped Obama because it helped paint the Republicans as the fringe.
     
  20. giddyup

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    Aren't you elegant?

    But there was evidence. There were images of those school forms which indicated what I said they did. Could they have been photo-shopped? Yes, I suppose. But you don't even seem to be aware that they existed, so my suggestion that this story has not really been disproven is valid.

    I'm such a hard-core birther that I don't even remember... :grin:

    I just know it was out there; there was a lot of stuff out there about this. I happen to think that Obama was born in Hawaii but there were lots of oddities attached and a rather slow and indirect response to clarify on his part.
     

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