Letting The Airs Out...MJ, VC, & Misconceptions...

Actually, he accused too_good of having the same IP address as BTM from the beginning, and MacBeth as having a similar one. It seems he made a mistake with the MacBeth link, but if the others are identical then there is not much room for interpretation and mistake.

 

Man this is sad. I dont even know what the hell people are talking about.

 

Hey peope calm down, I know first hand that things can get out of hand now and again as I have had my heated debates. I can understand that, but damn let's just flip the page and turn the corner now, k? Good let's continue with the topic at hand. And for the new members welcome to the bbs I am sure that no one is looking to riff with you so let's just discussed things rationally, thanks.

 

No, he said MacBeth and toogood is the same person. To quote him "then he must be sitting right next to you"

So if he's now accusing BTM of being toogood, then he is also accusing Mcbeth of being toogood, and therefore BTM. Since he appologised to Mcbeth, then it must mean he's not accusing him anymore, therefore he backed off of what he originally thought was a fact.


Furthermore, If he is now willing to concede Mcbeth and Toogood arent the same person, then he should also concide that many torontonians using Rogers have identical or close to isp's, as evident by comparing Mcbeth's and toogood's.

 

Does anyone have a suggestion in a way of getting rid of Rice?

 

JAG,

Again, I apologize for the numbers looking identical and setting off my alert. I looked at them and saw identical numbers. I was wrong. But too_good is identical to BTM.

DS,

I'm not an admin. I run the hardware, and can monitor your access to this server. Deal with it. It is not something I abuse. There has only been 3 posters Clutch has ever banned who he has alerted jqh1 and I to.

BTM is the lastest. I merely monitor these 3 people.

I have a 100% accusation rate on nailing their new UIDs. If I am wrong about too_good, then the odds are worse than an inside straight, and that is why I got him talking. To see if it was a coincidence; to see how he responded. I have not reported anything to Clutch, yet. But I do, indeed, have too_good speaking and Art Vandelie (a bi-uid) backing him.

I know, in fact, you are Art Vandelie. Or is that again just some miraculous IDENTICAL perfect IP address match that really wasn't the same Clutch City member. UHHHH! Answer me that! Or quit defending your friend BTM, who is also too_good.

You do not know what you are talking about when matching IP addresses. Don't bother lecturing me on odds and how Toronto is sooo big.

Like I say, in all my 10,000 posts, I've yet to PERFECTLY match any Houston Road Runner member, and you are saying the odds are higher in Toronto.

 

LOL I can't believe you still think I'm BTM. Man this is getting to the point where you are starting to depress me. There is no way in hell I have the same IP as BTM. And Toronto is a much bigger city then Houston.

 

You do have a the very same IP address as BTM. That is an KNOWN fact.

Everyone...Notice the difference in how he and Art Vandelie are arguing versus JAG. JAG was wrongly accused based on me seeing two numbers in two emails that I thought were the same. Look how JAGed responded versus BTM and Art.

They are going on some lame offensive claiming Toronto being bigger that Houston means IP address PERFECT matches are more likely there than here.

Lame argument.

They both have perfect matches and look:

Kurtz refuses to say he is Art Vandelie

and

too_good wants us to believe he's being treated poorly as a new poster.

ummmm... since when have we seen a new poster react in some sort of casual logical manner facing blatant attacks on their character from a 10,000 post poster in their very first post.

you are a novice BTM. Give it up.

nuff said.

 

I don't really understand the logic behind the argument styles but I do understand the point about the IP addresses being the same. I have also learned not to bet against Crispy. If Crispy says that too_good is BTM then that is as close to a fact as I can get. Bye Bye too_good.

 

JAG/MacBeth,

I'm sorry for suspecting you could be BTM. I thought it would be crazy if it was true; thankfully, it is not. Hopefully, you can get your old post count back.

I have to echo crash's sentiments. HP brings up some good points and knows what he is talking about with this IP address stuff.

So, too_good is too_gone and can enjoy his stay at the ESPN boards...

 

In all my life I have never seen people as childlike as some of the people in this msg board. I respond to an arguement that MacBeth raises and someone comes in and ruines the whole conversation. I suppose were all supposed to accept your word that I have the same IP as BTM. Considering you already claimed that I was MacBeth, heypart's word is completely and utterly meaningless. I suggest heypart just stick to what the original intent of this board was meant to be; the unfavorable comparison of Vince and MJ.

 

For what it's worth - I live about 60 miles outisde Toronto and also have Rogers as my ISP.

My IP# is differs only in the last 3 digits (which heypartner can confirm) from the ones he exposed earlier in this thread. I know exactly who BTM is since I post/lurk at every Raptors messageboard and to be honest - I can't see BTM = MacBeth. If MacBeth = too_good then I can't comment on since I don't know who they are.

heypartner - I'm no expert on servers and IPs but is it possible that Rogers (or any other provider) can route posts/traffic thru certain "virtual" IPs or servers that would lead the numbers to be so similar? I know from a sign industry messageboard that I go to that two people from opposite ends of the country could have an almost identical "proxy.aol.com" or other such IP info listed. Rogers is also known for revolving IPs so that people don't use their computers as servers. I have to update my IP info every month or two when my service cuts out.

Anyways - I think the gist of the whole thread is this: Don't compare Vince after 4 years to Jordan after a whole career. Jordan didn't accomplish much until his 5th season and first won a title in his 7th. Only after this many years or after Carter's career has been better defined can any real comparisons be drawn. Both Kobe and Carter are capable of comparison at some point - but neither has done anything at this point to be worthy. Carter hasn't won and Kobe won because of Shaq. Put Kobe in Toronto all by himself and he has 0 rings as well.

 

hp is not claiming either of those to be true. He did earlier, but admitted it was a poor reaction.

This is funny.

 

Ummm heypartner...Now why did you have to go and get pissy like that.

"Deal with it" Next time ignore the lame attempt a political correctness and tell me to Funk off next time. In all reality I dont have to, and how well do you respond to people who tell you to deal with it?

"You dont abuse it" Looks like you were wrong in accusing MacBeth or Jag and went out of your way to try and prove it making him seem like a liar. You spend your day "analyzing" posts and patterns styles in them, but when exactly did you become a writing analyst expert? You dont call that abuse? I guess this will be the part where you claim that you were just doing what you should be doing. But fact is you were wrong and slighted someone in the process.


And by the way....Kobe at this point is a much better comparision to MJ than Vince is. As far as pure skill and talent goes.

 

I disagree. Based on skill and talent there is really not much difference between Kobe and Vince. There is a difference when it comes to some intangibles and defensive intensity - but these aren't easily included under "skill and talent" IMO.

Take away what either has won, lost, scored or defended - and you have two virtually identical players. I'm talking things like size, physical condition, scoring ability, defending ability and potential. Kobe has made better use of the "same" tools by virtue of being on a better team (Shaq) and having a better coach (Phil) than Vince can claim.

Put Vince on the Lakers for the past 4 seasons and do you not think that Shaq + Vince would still have won the championship under Phil Jackson? I'm inclined to think they would. By contrast - had Kobe been drafted by the Raptors, had Antonio Davis as his best big man and been coached by Lenny Wilkens - I bet you that he would not have fared much differently than Carter has. The difference has been the surrounding influences and learning experiences IMO.

 

I don't think you can easily make the statement that Carter + Shaq would have won the championship. The fact is Carter is incredibly inconsistent in the playoffs (Knicks series). Also there is a huge gap between the two with respect to D. I don't think you can attribute coaching for this. If anything Vince having played at UNC, under Dean Smith, and Kobe only in high school, it would appear that Kobe playing for Phil is not that big of an advantage. Lets not forgot who the winningest coach in NBA history is. Also, the supporting cast of the raptors is not as mediocre as you present it to be. The raptors had Oakley, Davis, T-Mac, Christie, Mo Pete, and other quality players. I would venture to say that there is not that big of a difference between the supporting cast of the lakers and raptors.

Having said that I feel that the only time we can truely compare kobe and Vince is when kobe plays on a team without shaq.