Letting The Airs Out...MJ, VC, & Misconceptions...

Yes, I remember you as JAG, and I sure hope that heypartner is wrong in that you are not BTM because if he is right then all my respect for you as a poster is gone.

Why didn't you just email Clutch and explain what happened in that you lost your password?? I mean, geez, that sucks having to start all over again (I know because I changed my name for a short time but kept my post count...that was a bad mistake).

 

JAG,

Am I hurting your feelings? A first time poster (fact) from the same city (fact) on the same network (fact) in a little watched Rocket's bbs NBA Dish forum (fact) responds so enthusiastically (fact) in similar writing styles (fact). hmmmmm. I've also never been wrong on a bi-uid accusation before (fact).

Now, he is either someone you know in Toronto, on the same network, who knew you were going to post, and likes to make long posts....in which case my accusation is wrong....

or too_good is you or BTM.

Either way, in my strong suspicion, you either know who too_good is or too_good is BTM, and couldn't resist a VC thread.

I never said you *were* BTM, now did I.

 

To begin I would like to apologize to MacBeth, apparently I was under the impression that he was making a case that Carter is a better player then Jordan in their first 4 years. Where in fact he was simply stating misconceptions that people use against MJ.

Having said that, MacBeth does a real disservice by attacking the team improvement argument I made about the Raptors in Vince’s rookie year. First of all when he mentions Stoudamire, he conveniently forgets to point out that Damon did not play 33 games for Toronto that year. In fact the Raptors winning % was .225 with Damon and .151 without Damon. This further proves how weak the raps really were when Damon left. In addition to that he also cites Marcus Campy leaving the Raptors. Now anyone who has watched Marcus Campy play for the Raptors will know that even using the word soft to describe him would be too soft of a word. This is the same player that injured himself from jugging. If anything Campy leaving the Raps would be a positive. MacBeth also does another inaccuracy in using stats to signify the importance of Charles Oakley. Anyone who has watched Oakley play will know that the leadership and experience he brought to the young franchise of the Raptors was immeasurable. Furthermore, MacBeth states that the addition of Willis was simply to replace Trent. Unfortunately, this is again misleading since Gary had only played 13 games for the raptors that year!

Now in the category of scoring, I’m again disappointed in MacBeth using this argument that Jordan simply scores more because he is selfish and Carter is a team player. What really irritates me is the example he uses in comparing Jordan to Bird. Maybe he should also add that Jordan avg. 37 pts/gm to Bird’s 28 pts/gm. A difference not seen in the NBA in quite a long time. Considering that Bird scored a lot of his points off 3pt’s and free throws its not surprising that MJ took more shots then Bird made. In fact it would be surprising if it weren’t the case. I once again have to state that great players shoot the ball a lot. If anything, one of Carter’s problems is that he doesn’t shoot the ball enough. Would you rather have Vince shoot the ball 25 times and lets say Alvin William 8 or have Vince shoot the ball 17 times and Alvin 16?

With respect to the issue of toughness, I do agree with MacBeth that Carter has an unfair reputation of being soft. However, Jordan did not risk the future of his team by playing hurt merely to prove that he was tough. In the process of proving Carter is tough, which MacBeth has successfully done, he in course has pointed to a new fault of Carter, carelessness and selfishness.


One argument MacBeth should really stop using is this “Jordan Rules” he has come up with. The fact is throughout the history of the NBA the best players get the benefit of the call. This “Jordan Rules” indirectly implies that the refs are too harsh on Carter, where in fact Vince much like MJ gets the breaks when it comes to officiating. This rule not only applies to Vince, but also Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, Garnett, T-Mac, and almost every other all-star player.

To the issue of the playoffs, I’m saddened that MacBeth fails to mention Vince’s first playoff experience with the Knicks, a series that most Raptor fans will wish to forget. Now its very obvious that it would be an insult to the Celtics of the 80’s to even but them in the same sentence as the teams that Vince has lost to in the playoffs. MacBeth is correct in saying Jordan doesn’t have the wins in the playoffs in his first four years to back up the perception that he was a major playoff performer. Nonetheless, MJ does have the stats to back up the correct perception that he was a great playoff player. Now Vince’s playoff avg. for his first four years was 25.7. Jordan on the other hand is 36.3. Even more astonishing is that Jordan avg. 43.7 pts in his second year in the playoffs when he came back from his injuries. Perhaps, had Vince not been so egotistical he would have not played while hurt and returned to put up similar numbers and defeat the Pistons.

As for the appropriateness of the Vince and MJ comparison I would have to disagree with you when you say people do it all the time. I think more people are now comparing Kobe and T-Mac with MJ. In fact when you look at Kobe having three rings vis-à-vis to Jordan’s early career, I think a better case for kobe can be made.

 

I am incapable of detecting whether you are JAG or not, or whether you got banned or not.

What I am capable of doing is detecting whether any Rogers subnet has ever been used before.

Do you realize that out of all the cable modems in Houston/Rocketsville USA, my RoadRunner account had only 4 matches at the Class C Subnet level? You had 3 at a much (much) larger level, and BTM and too_good are included.

I apologize for the association. I do. Really, JAG. I have nothing against you. I have been on the look out for BTM. I have his IP address (and similar looking ones) reporting to me. I was suspicious why you hadn't posted in awhile, and then your thread set off an alarm in my email this morning saying a BTM IP address is being used, and both you and too_good set it off.

After that, I have standard things I do to trace the addresses further, like making your talk to read your response to accusations. Don't take it personally. Many people really did not like BTM and all his aliases.

 

For all of you idiots out there that think I'm MacBeth. I live in Toronto and use rogers along will thousands of other people in T.O.

a response to the idiots

 

Shut up BTM. I'm not comparing you to all of Rogers, I'm comparing you to ONE Unique IP address, that only one person in the freaking world can use at any given time. The likelihood that Identical addresses went out only to two people here...you and BTM...and you are not the same...is rather suspicious to say the least, not to mention your skilled first post at a Rockets BBS.

You are a solid MATCH for BTM. In 10,000 posts, in Houston, which has WAAAY more rockets fans than you, I have never matched one other Rockets fan. NEVER. In fact, my entire subnet has only match 4 other cc.netters.

You are not matching anyone in a huge range of possible cable modems in Toronto, except for one the BTM also shared.

 

look! a friend of mine told me about this place a day ago. I dont even know who this BTM guy is. I just responded to post MacBeth made.

 

alright, too_good, I'll mark it down as an "inside straight" type of coincidence.

Explain to me further, though, who do you hang out with in Toronto for someone to be talking about Rocket's BBS's. Maybe a Banned Toronto Member!!!???

 

Lol 'heypartner' your such a paranoid freak.

Loogie gave a link to this thread on realgm.com raptors board.

There, Sherlock. Don't quit your day job.

 

What loogie did has nothing to do with a positive match, otherwise we'd see many more matches. You do not know what you are talking about. Move on kid.

Oh, and by the way, if you are from Toronto, you match no one in your entire subnet here, except Art Vandalei.

hmmmmm....you must be a bi-uid, too!!

Shut up, Art...or do you wish to be reported as well.

 

How about you get off your power trip and shut the f*ck up, eh? THis was a good debate before you came along with your trash, now you've ruined the whole thread. IF anyone should get lost, it should be you with your little paranoid tendencies. Go watch your x-files tapes.

 

A few things of note here:

1. I have battled with Heypartner since his arrival, I probably dislike his style more than anyone, yet I digress: What he is pointing out is evidence of a fraudelent debate from a (I guess) banned poster. He is using fact to augment his points, where are yours?

2. Why on gods green Earth does Heypartner have ability to look into my IP address? Is he an admin. or moderator now?

3. If so, then quite pointing it out, and just ban him. Or let clutch, kagy, keely or will know and Im sure they will handle it from here.

 

Is it possible to be from Toronto and not this BTM guy everyone keeps saying I am???????

 

What fact? At best, it circumstancial evidence.

Ill give you some facts.
A) He accused Mcbeth of being BTM just an hour ago, and now he's taking it back. He was convinced Mcbeth was BTM and provided what you, SHake are calling a fact. Yet if Mcbeth is not BTM, then it can't really be factual evidence, no?
B) I know toogood, and my isp does not match his, altho i bet it comes close. There fore I'm a ...witness to the fact that Toogood is who he claims he is. Does Heypartner have anyone to back up his wild claims?
C) Toogod's post i think you would all agree was insighfull and not banprovoking. So what reason is there to believe that he's the same guy who i would assume got banned for making trouble on the board?
D) Toronto is full of rogers users. The 2 isp numbers he brought up, he calls them identicall- but they are not. So he's wrong there once again. Sure they are similar, and I wager that every rogers costumer has a similar ISP (Im no expert on the subject however, so I could be wrong).

All in all this was a stupid thing to bring up anyhow, this was a wicked thread, and look what it turned out to be. Thanks to you know who.

 

heypartner is an expert though.

 

Is he an expert on Rogers Cable?

Because what I can say for a fact is that Mcbeth and Toogood are no where near the same person, and he claimed they were.

Not much of an expert, seems to me.