Some people just don't get it. Bonzi Wells would have to take the near minimum contract that we have available unless we could work out some sort of S&T with the Kings, which is highly unlikely since they have already stated that they don't want to go over the luxury tax by adding salary. So how would you suggest that we sign Bonzi?
It seems to me that Alexander changed his approach on the money spending after overpaying Cato and Taylor. When Dallas and the Sun got so many good players, you just can not win the title with T-mac and Yao surronding with the cheap players, unless the cheap players become good role players.
Question...since i'm not very knowledgeable in this matter. If the Kings sign Bonzi, and we trade for him using our 4.3 TE (which would be more than the 3 mil he is "rumored" to being offered), would the kings still have to pay a luxury tax on that? And what exactly will the 4.3 TE do for them?
no, he can not be signed. We have nothing left as in trade exception to sign him. Paying a luxury tax is given if you're over the cap, BUT if you're over the cap, you can not sign a player that's not already in your own team! The only way now to acquire Bonzi is if he takes another major pay cut (which obviously he won't do) or to work a S&T with the Kings, which the kings will not likely do because they have no reason to take our expiring contracts.
I wrote 2 posts in succession of each other. read the first one. Basically, I'm trying to say, we have NO CHOICE in signing other role players because the NBA Coll. Barg. Agreement does not allow us to do so. It basically states that any team over the cap can only use their exceptions to sign players, otherwise, we're stuck with what we got. BTW, can someone answer Guru's question? That's actually a pretty interesting point and I'd like to know as well. Thank you.
Yes, but for phoenix/dallas, they drafted these players which turned out right. THEN, they're allowed to spend the money to keep them. (i.e. Josh Howard, Marion, Amare, Joe Johnson before traded for Diaw, etc.) They had money then to sign for Nash (Phoenix) and Dallas drafted Dirk, etc. I guess it's scenarios like this where Isiah was trying to excel in, but shortsighted the future. Isiah Thomas kept grabbing bad contracts because he felt that when they are expiring, they can use that as a bargaining chip to get quality players. That was his "reasoning" to pick up Mo Taylor and Malik Rose, because they have 3 years left each, the same as a couple other contracts (Houston, Hardaway, I believe). Thomas was probably hoping that with his big budget allowed, that he's able to trade those contracts for players that he could resign, and just not think about the luxury tax, bad contracts altogether. In a way, that could work, except the big amount of money spent to field a pathetic team year in and year out until those contracts are ready to expire. Now, before I totally digress again, I'm sayint that you can NOT sign another player outside the exception/veteran's minimum if you're over the cap. PLease read this and understand this before there are another 10 posts asking why again.
No - the 4.3 would not count against their cap or count toward the LT. And since that means they get little or nothing, why would they do us a favor? Pick(s)! Picks don't count against the cap and could be thrown in. i.e. 4.3TE + (x)Picks = Bonzi. Now the questions are, what kind of and how many picks will it take for the Kings to do us a favor? 2nd rounders most likely won't cut it so you are talking about a 1st round pick and maybe even more. Are we will to part with said picks and go over the LT (no skin off me but Les might not look to happy) for Bonzi? Realistically, I don't think he is or should come here for the price of a 1st rounder. If he could consistantly drain the outside shot and do all the rest - yes. But then if he could, he'd probably be getting that max contract that he thinks he deserves.
Yes, I understand the rule for getting a player. The issue is that you need pay more for older players if you did not draft young players. How do you do it? You have to overpay the role players in the team to get asset for the furture trades. For example, we should keep Swift in the Guy trade, and use Swift as the trade baits, instead we just give up him beacuse we don't want to pay him beacuse he is not good. Those things have been talked here many times. Clearly, different people have different ideas.
The only time Swift would be trade bait is about 4-5 years from now when his contract starts to expire. Do you really want to pay his contract plus all the luxury tax that goes with it for 3-4 years just to use him as an asset years down the line? Even with the trade, we're now still over the cap, meaning his salary is paid dollar to dollar for upcoming years. You just don't spent that kind of money to a liability until he becomes a possible asset.
You have a good point, but Swift is a big man with 5M salary, it is not difficult to trade him for a guard or rebounding PF. If you look at other big men in the NBA, for example, K.Martin, he earns 14M with 10 points/per game. In many cases, Swift is a good bait for a trade. The problems are here, we do not any trade asset, we do not draft well, then how do you improve the team for a title? Tmac's back will not going to be better soon, Yao will be only one for fighting something good. Really hoping is that one or two role players in this current team become something special this year, then we will have a hope for a title. However, business is not only for the title, also money can not buy a title. Nobody can go wrong.
Don't get me wrong, I agree for the most part, maybe even entirely, depending on which side of the bed I got off this morning. I was one that never wanted to give up on Swift, and I wasn't totally happy with "the trade," but I learn to accept it and am beginning to like the trade the more I watch Battier play. I think Tmac's back is a concern, but I have no reason to not believe that he's better like he said he is. I believe that we might have something going here, with Battier, Spanoulis, Alston, Snyder.... I do actually trust what JVG has to offer as a coach and I do believe that midseason trades are a big part of championship runs, so I'm not ready to give up on ANY season where the Rockets have 2 all-stars in the lineup. With midseason trades, you're also talking about saving contract money. With some teams and the limited assets, it's what you're going to have to deal with: the exceptions and midseason acquisitions... assuming the Rockets won't make a draft suprise.
I think you are putting too much speculation into your reasoning. First, a big man with 5M salary is not difficult to trade for a guard or rebounding PF, but it's incredibly difficult to trade for a reasonably good one. You could try to put out a few actual names to back your claim. It's not like he didn't have time to prove himself, he actually had more than enough time to prove himself as a bust. Therefore, it's very difficult to get quality back for him, and it's almost impossible to expect him to contribute greatly. He was paid 5M a year, for a reason, in this league where an athletic big is very welcomed in every team. Nobody offered more, do you ever wonder why? You are right that Rockets made bad decisions in previous drafts, and we do not have good trade asset, but keeping Swift is not going to change either situation.
SirCharles why not give Bonzi a Contract.. Lets say its 1 Dollar for next year but after that i jumps to like 20 and then 8 per after that?
lol, i swear, these people are just screwing with us now, they can't be this ignorant as to the rules, can they?
uh... that's not allowed either under NBA rules.... For a league established like the NBA, simple loopholes such as this better not have existed or the league will get corrupted....
Here Swift is used an asset to balance the salary. I thought that the Net was interested in Swift before, and is still interested? Swift, Head, and others for R. Jafferson has been talked here before. Even if it may not be possible, but peolpe can talk other posiblities, now 5M Swift is gone, we do not have an asset to blance the trade. Head alone can not get a real good player, other players are cheap, so real hope is that someone in the current rosters becomes really good, that is possible.
I don't see the Nets remotely close to trading Jefferson for Swift & Head.... that's last or this year. Right now, Swift is not an asset. He and his contract is a liability for any club that he's on until maybe his last year, where his expiring contract might allow some teams to get under the cap to acquire a big FA. Other than that, he doesn't do anything for anyone unless he shapes up as a player.
If I understand correctly, from what you guys have been saying, the reason different teams have such vastly different payroll amounts is that teams are allowed to pay whatever they want to retain players, but there are strict restrictions on what they can pay to acquire players from other teams. Does this mean the salary cap is fundamentally a means to keep richer teams from stealing poorer teams players in order to keep parity in the league?
