The US has been picking fights with countries on almost every continent. A lot of ethnic groups living in America could be in your shoes sooner or later....
Rafsanjani is khamenies money man. he gets his advice and policies through him. khamenis bitter Rival, Mesbah Yazdi created Ahmadinejad as a power grab from rafsanjani and khamenie. the theocracy in iran is in 3 groups. Hardliners( Khamenie, yazdi, janati) Moderates( Rafsanjani, Karoubi) and reformists( Khatami and co).
Having travelled to iran regulary, it saddens me to see how people are so pro-bush it's insane. i myself dont like bush at all. when you speak to the cab drivers, butchers, bus drivers and so , they see him as a savour from the mollah's tyranny. i tried to convince them that any change must come from whithin, but theyu kept telling me, it's easy for you to say this from abroad. there right the mullah's thugs are really voilent SOB.. any demonstartion will be met by live bullets and electric battons.i fear my country mens dignity is so low currently because of there deep hate for the mollah's that see bush as a viable altarnitive... it truly saddens me.
i dont think protests in iran are met with bullets and electric battons or else the us media would be all over it and use it to demonize iran....and most people in most countries dont like their govts, so i dont see anything new in this, but all iranians have to do is look next door at the disaster there and i'm sure they'll understand that american bombs wont be a liberating mechanism.....whatever you may think of the govt now, its better than the shah's regime and the stats prove that
This is where I wish Mango would pop in with some links showing brutal repression of dissent in Iran by the Theocracy. I'm too tired to do it tonight. Maybe tomorrow. I haven't been to Iran in decades, and that was a brief visit to Tehran, but blazer_ben is certainly right about how protests have been met with force, and there have been numerous protests, over the years. I can't speak to what he says about the talk from locals, but it wouldn't surprise me. Keep D&D Civil.
Whats Shah got to with anything. stats?.. stats are iranians were living alot better under the shah. iranian dollar was worth toman was 1 dollar, now it's almost 900 toman. i dont know if you're iranian or not, but you're seriously out of the loop when it comes to iran society. i see constant support of the mollahs and it's really hillarious. in 1999 the student had an uprising and they were attacked in there doorms by the mollah's hit squad. the bassiji force. they throw many of students off the 3 to 7 story building. they attacked then in the streets. yes with electric battons. go to iran and smell the coffe. this mollah's have made shah look like an saint. most of the older people have told there lives under the shah and they actually like the shah. the mollahs are the worst plague that has infected an great country. you sound like an person who is really out of the loop.
Thank you. The students in iran have been beaten and put down by the goverment manytimes. his point about why the media dosent coaver it?.. CNN, BBC are paid heavily by the theocracy to keep there silence on such things.
There are protests, sometimes violent ones, in Iran and the police are deployed to protect the rights of the protestors to assemble and demonstrate from vigilantes...I've spoken to many Iranians within Iran that aren't supporters of the government and they say the same thing However, under the us installed shah, 10,000 people were killed in one day alone as they were peacefully protesting and this is known as the 15th of Khordad incident. my source: See Farhad Kazemi. “The Military and Politics in Iran: The Uneasy Symbiosis,” in Haim, Sylvia G. and Kedourie, Elie, ed., Towards a Modern Iran: Studies in Thought, Politics and Society. London and New Jersey: Frank Cass, 1980, p. 224. Unfortunately, what Balzer Ben and Deckard have said is just no true
Honestly, i dare you go to iran and ask people when they had it better now or under the shah. i bet you're not an iranian. i can gurantee my life that 80% of the people who lived under both regimes CAN CONFIDENTLY WILL SAY SHAH WAS BETTER.
yOU'RE DENYING THE 1999 DEMONSTATIONS BY THE STUDENTS?.. or the 2003 street protests. which were all ANTI-GOVERMENT.
the currency exchange rate isnt important within a country itself, its the purchasing power the money has within iran and that has remained the same i disagree, life was only good for the shah and his cronies, they enriched themselves with oil money while the poor got poorer and the rich got richer, if life was so good as you claim, then there wouldnt have been a revolution that kicked the shah out as far as protests and things of that sort, i'll refer you to my earlier post in response to deckard let's take the situation of women for example....women are widely and incorrectly viewed as being treated harshly in iran, the facts tell us something different....The literacy rate amongst the female population has gone from thirty-six percent in 1976 to seventy-two percent in 1996 and women currently makeup a majority in Iranian universities....source: Nikki Keddie. Modern Iran: Roots and Results of Revolution. New Haven and London: Yale University Press, 2003, pp. 286-287. not to mention that iran had a female vice president for the past 8 years by the name of masoumeh ebtekar and has many females servinh in high ranking positions within the government and parliament as well if anything, iran should be applauded for their progessive measures, reforms, and gradual liberalization since the revolution of 1979
blazer_ben i have nothing personal against you or what you're saying, i'm only dealing with the facts and i've provided sources and evidence to backup my position the fact that there were protests that occurred undermines your original argument
Ok, woman had much more rights under the previous goverment. liberaziation was alot more advanced in iran in shah's era.i will soon post a few links that will show you how bruital the mollahs are. in khomenie the ****ing founder of this dumb system, economy is for donkies. yes those were his words. i'm curios, where are you originally from?
why does it matter who i am or where i'm from? deal with the issues....you say women had much more rights under the us installed dictatorship of the shah, but the facts tell a different story and i refer you my earlier post about the situation of women then and now and i provide evidence as well, but you didnt directly respond to any of that....will you?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamad_Reza_Pahlavi_of_iran. In this link it talks about his willingness to give more females a chance . it says how it gave khomenie and other islamic fanatics more fuel against him.
will you please comment on the facts, stats, and evidence i've already provided vis-a-vis the situation of women then and now?
Offcourse there was corruption under the shah. noones denying that, but howcome most of the people in iran i spoke to clearly they would take the shah over the mollahs. i was'nt born then, but speaking to the iranians in iran, they said shah was much better. i guess he must have done something right?..
