I'm pretty certain you don't need the MLE to get your own guys back, not to mention I doubt we can sign Scola and Lowry using just the MLE.
Well those "2 or 3 spots" can make make a difference in drafting a player like Hassan Whiteside vs. someone like James Andersen.....so its pretty Important......plus given all our injury's and our recent loss to the clippers I don't see us finishing strong anyway... --RB
Just how would the Rockets draft 15th pick is not even possible. After the 14th pick, only playoff teams pick. Even if the Rockets slid into the 8th spot, worst playoff team record would be in the east. If there is a bigger gap between 13 and 15 than 6 and 8, that's just another not to lose 2 spots. If the 13th and 15th spot made no difference, than I say go for it.
Brooks and Martin can be a lethal combo IF you have a very big and athletic frontcourt.. We MUST draft for SIZE only..Like a 5 in the 1st and a 4/5 in the 2nd (do we have a 2nd?) Ariza/Scola/Yao is a formidable starting frontcourt but we best have some TALENTED depth at that 4 and 5 if we want to contend next year.
Okay, 12 and 14 instead of 13 and 15. Whatever, still not a serious difference. And yeah, I meant to say the other way around. The difference between 6 and 8 is way more than between 12 and 14, and the difference between 12 and 14 isn't worth just finishing the season strong and knowing we'll fight regardless of circumstances.
Nah. If we're not getting top10, it don't matter. It's incredibly difficult to accurate judge players skill level and upside outside the top10 (where the skill difference is obvious and defined), that's how ppl like Monta Ellis slip by (40th). This is one area where the Rockets have a significant advantage, given the Wizard's drafting history, so it really doesn't matter what spot we get since we can't move up that far. I can easily see teams all the way up to 4 spots above us skipping the our draft choice because of their inadequate scouting ability (in comparison to Morey)
So you're saying we have the 6th best record in the League?? What they are saying is there is a 1.96% chance at the number one pick in the draft....We got Yao with like a 2.something % chance I think (8th spot)
IIRC, we also got the number 2 that year too. Too bad we couldn't have that one also, though we didn't have DM at the helm yet so we would have probably ended up with Jay Will from Duke. Where is he now????
We are not getting any of the top picks, so Wall needs to be out of this equation. Trade it with a few of our scrubs for David Lee or a worthy big.
12 and 14. There are only a couple of stars each draft. Since each team has different projections, Morey's guys projected as being stars can be available lower in the draft. If you lose 2 spots and all your stars are off your draft board, then they are gone. It's not like you get a slightly weaker version of your target players, because it's only 2 spots. It's gone forever. There are at least 3-4 freshman/sophmore that are projected to be high lottery picks in 2011 are coming out in 2010 to avoid a lockout, even if their stock would be higher next year. It would make the options available at the 11th pick comparable to the options available in the 7th spot in another draft. It gives slightly better chance of having more than 1 guy on our draft board available.
It's kind of odd. I made the thread as a joke response to the "tank" thread, in essence pointing out that our draft position is literally etched in stone right now, as well as having basically no incentive to tank. Yet I only got serious responses to it. Are people really serious about debating between the 13th and the 11th pick? I guess maybe it's a little to be expected given the whole Roy thing. But even then I pointed out how unlikely such a scenario is given the record.
You can't count on the ineptness of teams drafting ahead of you. If a team's draft scenario where their target player is drafted by Morey, they can maneuver in front of him with those poor scouting teams. Drafting at 11th in stead of 14th, eliminates 3 trade partners for Pritchard and other teams to move ahead of us. Let's lower the risk of Pritch-slap this year and lose more.
How about, lighten up, dude. Why so serious? This wasn't meant to be a serious post. There's no chance it will happen anyway, and we're not bad enough to be the Nets anyway. Just some fun given all the tank posts going around here.
Does anyone know they chances we had in the 2000 draft? I know it wasn't good, but we somehow received the # 1 pick.
I think this logic is way off. First off the Gay for Battier trade was a different time and a completely different situation. DM was not the GM although I will accept that he was pushing for the trade. CD was still the GM and JVG was the coach and there is no way that those two did not have a lot of input on that trade. Plus keep in mind that a GM's job is not just to acquire talent but to acquire talent that fits the current coaching Style. Shane Battier is and was the perfect JVG type of player. Very smart and a great defensive player plus he is someone that was more than happy to pass the ball into the post to Yao or defer to TMac. You will very rarely see a Shane Battier mistake although he will not always do a lot on the offensive side to help you out. Since RA has been the coach and DM has been the GM you have seen a completely different type of player brought to the team. DM has drafted or acquired via free agency and trade players that can fly up and down the court, move with out the ball and put the ball in the hoop. Battier, Chuck and Yao are the only hold overs from the pre DM/RA era. Look at all the players that have been acquired since including guys like Von and Landry that are not on the team any more. With the exception of Joey Dorsey they could all get up and down the court and score. Even with Dorsey you had to think he could run and finish strong on the break. With the exception of Chase Budinger, all of the players that DM has drafted are players that do only one or two things really well, but they do they do those things exceptionally well. AB and Landry were not great defenders and are undersized for their positions as was Dorsey but they sure know how to put the ball in the basket while Dorsey could be an elite rebounder and defender if he could ever realize how to stay on the court. Taylor was another player that was drafted because of the exceptional scoring ability he showed in college. This year I think DM is going to use all the picks he can to move up in this draft and grab a player that has the same offensive skill set as Landry or AB but has prototypical size, athleticism and can play defense. Due to the extra pick in 2012 and the option to switch 2011 pick with NY, he has the ability to trade three potential lottery picks in consecutive years and still be with in the guidelines of the Stepien Rule. I certainly do not think that there is any merit to rebuilding the team. At worst the team might have to start planning to look for a center if one comes available in the event that Yao never makes a full recovery or that he only plays a few more seasons. AB, Budinger, Ariza, Lowry, Hill and Martin are all young players. So there is not a need to start rebuilding. I think Daryl Morey's plan is to continue to build around Yao while also building for the future. Adding a high lottery pick or even trading for someone like Bosh or Amare accomplishes both goals.
This is a great post! At best the Rockets could only move up to 11 anyway but with all the available draft picks could probably still trade up quite far from 13 or 14 if Morey wanted to go that rout. Would love to see the Rockets add someone like Camby via free agency and a winning record would only increase the chances of someone like him wanting to play here.
