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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Possum, Oct 29, 2004.

  1. pasox2

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    Let's say JVG gets hit by a bus. Well, who do you want now? Philip, of course. Why wait for that bus? Bring on the bus, flatten him. His is an atrocious offensive embarrassment. I am sick of his stupid sluggish post up crap. I pin the turn overs on him. Run a frickin' O, damn it. Jerry Sloan is light years ahead of this guy, Hubie Brown coaches circles around him. He's really not head coach material. Get your clipboard and go back to the bench, weasel.
     
  2. m_cable

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    What do you mean, "Let me be the first!" Edc has been tumpetting this move all summer long.
     
  3. Vengeance

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    I am not a big fan of Philip, BUT, I think he'd be the perfect coach for this team, and I think he could make the Rockets a dynasty. I don't think JVG can. There are things I like about JVG, but as much as I like to devalue Jackson's accomplishments by talking about the players he's coached, the simple fact remains that his track record speaks for itself. If he came to Houston, he'd have another situation of coming into a system with great players, and I think he could be the catalyst for a run of NBA titles.

    But, I think JVG can lead the Rockets to the finals as well, I just think Phil Jackson would be better.
     
  4. DavidS

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    But m_cable, where will you be once the play-off starts this year? Still on the fence?
     
  5. edc

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    There is no fence, other than the one keeping a JVG-coached team from scoring. :)
     
  6. DavidS

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    ;) Yep. He only joins once the players mature, feel the pain of loosing, and have finally relinquished all delusions of grander (Superstar players that didn't play as a team).

    Then, he steps in on that "ready made" team.

    Phil doesn't do that "rebuilding thing."
     
  7. DavidS

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    You'll be there "cheering." Just like all of us. Even though, you might be a *little* disgruntled.

    "Grumble, grumble...damn Gundy, that b*stard....grumble....bench Yao, and lets play Kings Ball!"
    - edc
     
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  8. m_cable

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    Me? I'm not on the fence. I've got absolutely no love for Phil Jackson. And I think JVG can definitely succeed. I was just pointing something out.
     
  9. edc

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    Glad to see you are now going all the way, and creating "quotes" out of thin air.

    Incidentally, to average 95PPG, a team would need to score 121 points, or 108 twice, or 104 three times, or 101.5 four times for each of those 69 point-performances that are guaranteed to be just around the bend...
     
  10. DavidS

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    Uh, we know that you hate JVG. You inferred a much before. You've told us that you will give JVG props for winning a championship, but wont enjoy it (your personal grudge?). The edc "quotes" are not without merit. :( Boo hoo....for you!

    As far as your 121, 108, 104 and 101.5....You'll be waiting a long time for that, even if we had Rudy (and shot happy Francis). Yao is a major focus on this team. JVG half-court game + a Yao-centric is not conducive to a Kings-type scoring. As others have stated, the best we can hope for his a Spurs like offense/defense.

    Low turnovers, high-efficency, and winning is what I care about. :cool:

    High-scoring and JVG's head on a plate is what you care about. :( Winning? You couldn't care less. JVG coaching. And we can't have JVG get credit for that! No wayyyy....
     
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  11. Jerry36

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    November is going to be a painful Month to watch the Rockets

    This team No Good . One thing I noticed about the rockets they never go out sign players that can shoot the rock.
     
  12. edc

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    Stop hallucinating. I've repeatedly told you. I don't hate JVG. I just find him an average head coach, and the wrong guy to be coaching a scorer like Tracy McGrady.

    The numbers were because YOU kept saying "95 PPG, 95 PPG, 95 PPG." I don't believe that is going to happen.
     
  13. DavidS

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    And if we average 93PPG will you sue me? What if we make it to the 2nd round 6/7 games averaging *only* 91PPG (egads! :eek: oh, the horror!) will you still complain about JVG? I think not. You'll look silly if you do. 95PPG is a bonus. But it's not the end-all-be-all. Low TO, efficiency, and winning are more important.
     
  14. edc

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    No lawsuit, just commenting on your statements.

    I EXPECT 91PPG. I also have repeatedly told you what I EXPECT in terms of W/L and playoff runs. Any less than that, and JVG must go. If they equal that, I have no personal problem with him staying another year. However, It doesn't mean he will all of a sudden become the right guy for this team.

    Before you complain "you want him fired now," there is one and only one circumstance I've called for Jeff Van Gundy's head at this moment. Anything less than Phil Jackson calling Le$ and taking the job, and there is no reason to reconsider the situation until after the season (barring a complete collapse, which cannot be predicted).
     
  15. DavidS

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    Oh, really? After the season? You're actually WILLING to give JVG a two year chance (one with Francis/Yao and one with McGrady/Yao)? Wow, how nice of you! Seems like you've been campaigning for JVG firing from day one! Throw in a few pre-season losses just added fuel to your fire.

    Let see if you keep your promise as the season progresses. The sky would be falling for you if we loss two games in a row!
     
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    Whatever. I thought he was a bad hire, but there was nothing to be done about it once the decision was made. Beyond that, I view the coaching position strictly year-to-year.
     
  17. DavidS

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    Year-to-year my foot! It's been JVG for ONE year (w/Francis). And since then it's been game-to-game (Pre-season at that! With a new team and role player assessments).

    So, tell me? You think that our *preseason team* will be playing the same way as our *75 game team* (home stretch)? That's just something to think about....
     
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  18. edc

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    I don't know why you have such a hard time with a simple concept. It is possible to dislike the way a team is playing, and to feel a coach is not adjusting, and is not taking advantage of his players WITHOUT saying "Guy must go."

    As to where this team will be, I have serious doubts that the offensive schemes will improve between now and the end of the year. Remember, "Down the stretch" a year ago, the Rockets were in a terrible losing streak. It could very easily happen again.
     
  19. DavidS

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    Sure, it's easy to dislike the way the team is playing after a few pre-season games. Is coach is not adjusting? Damn those role players! We shouldn't have played them so much! Damn McGrady for not hitting his shots! Damn Yao for getting injured! Sure, no problem.... :rolleyes: Maybe you have a problem with complex concepts that require you to look at all the variables: new players and new coach (to them) and how that takes some time to mesh.

    You have SERIOUS doubts that the offensive schemes will improve? That's because you want JVG gone. So, it's in your best interest for you to *wish* that to come true. You've already said as much...can't backout now. All these "doubts," yet completely ignoring things like better talent, chemistry, and practice. Ya know, those things actually help players/teams? Nah...maybe your right. We'll play the same as a pre-season team (which includes McGrady and Yao playing together for the FIRST TIME in their CAREERS). Ok, whatever you say...

    Predicting that the Rockets will have a bad season based on the pre-season games losses is just as absurd as predicting that *another team* will dominate just because they went 7-0 in pre-season.

    "Easily happen again?"

    And you need to *remember* that "Down the stretch" last year we still had that clueless PG named Francis who had trouble getting the ball to Yao. Oh, and we have McGrady/Howard and Lue. Different team. Better team.

    "Easily?"...geeesh!
     
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