Bush’s father was head of the CIA, and that makes Bush worldly?? That would be a logic fail. What you have shown, however, is that Bush grew up in a very narrow and sheltered world even within the US context. Geez XXX, ordinarily your attempts at deception are a little better than this. On this issue you really don’t have much to stand on, however, so I guess this is the best you and your fellow deceiver basso can do.
I hadn't heard that El Baradei had such a low standing but I can believe that is the case. That said if his standing is so low why was he put under house arrest? Even if El Baradei isn't the face of the revolution I still don't think we can rule out Egypt has being doomed and that if the revolution is successful Egypt will end up a theocracy.
I can understand your position and why Egyptians probably not feeling very friendly to the US but this is really failing to consider it from the US point. This is a situation involving a regime that has been a strong ally to the US for decades and one of the most important Arab countries so he has to say something. At the same time the situation is very uncertain at the moment and he has to consider the possibility that Mubarak wins. I agree that Obama's statement is weak but I don't think it would've been wise for him to say anything stronger given the US position or say nothing at all.
Well, it certainly looks like I've gotten your emotional gears turning, which has limited your ability to have a constructive conversation. One day you'll be able to set your emotions aside, and think critically.
You’re such a child, and in fact I think your morality level really is that of a child. If you're interested, your kind of morality is described by developmental psychology. Kohlberg would describe it as a self-interest orientation at the pre-conventional level. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohlberg's_stages_of_moral_development#Pre-Conventional It won’t be a surprise to anyone that this is a very immature level, but what may be a surprise is that some adults are still stuck in it. This is why reasoning with people like XXX is pointless. Truth and logic are concepts that mean very little to him. His morality is focused on getting whatever he can get for himself by any means he can think of, which is why virtually every word that comes out of his mouth is a lie or deception of some sort. Bringing this back on topic, some dictators operate at this level as well, and that makes them very difficult to reason with. If Mubarak thinks like this then he’s not going to make any changes for the good of his country. He literally won't even understand the concept, and he’ll only do things that he thinks will benefit him.
Sigh. When you have to resort to personal insults, you've lost any mature discussion or debate. Many would argue that having to resort to personal insults is even....."childish" as you put it. I'll be the bigger man and not respond in kind.
I know that people will use this opportunity to flame, but I am convinced that a stable dictatorship by a more or less secular ruler (while still a bad thing) is better than anarchy, and islamists gaining power. In other words, the "system" in Egypt under Mubarak and Tunisia under whatever dictator there > the "system" in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran. It is nice to think that these protests will lead to freedom, democracy, yada yada, but the sad reality is that it is more likely that changes would be in the direction of islamization = religious police, more hijabs, more discrimination of other religions, "blasphemy lawys", less freedoms, etc.
I hope Obama realizes that he would have lost what little credibility he have in the Middle East(if not the world) by backing Mubarak. We are sacrificing longterm stability to hold on to short term gains.
There is no reality in this situation. There is only staged information, from both sides. Even if the protesters numbered in the hundred of thousands in Cairo, how does that represent the will of the millions. How would they even know what to think without a free press?
he said the same thing when it was Iran, and w/o the "excuse" that the mullahs were strong US allies. Obama is great at lofting platitudes to the masses when nothing is on the line. but leadership in a crisis? as someone commented elsewhere: "did anyone seriously believe that a former community activist and part-time legal lecturer has the skills and knowledge to handle the revolutionary disarray unfolding on Egypt’s streets right now?" not so much.
Maybe you freaks should wait and see how this plays out before you start blaming Obama for it hum??????
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/01/29/egypt.middle.east.reaction/index.html?hpt=T2 The Saudi King backs Mubarak: The Iranians:
No one can think for themselves without a free press and a peer review of opinions on events and the course of politics. It's the garbage in/garbage out principle.* Is Mubarak a tyrant? Is he saving the people from violence and a theocratic regime? Is the US supporting him or easing a transition to a secular Democracy? I don't know, so I'm guessing the people out in the fields don't know. * and why FoxNews is so bad for American politics
