It said firm stance. I think there's a lot of room between taking a firm stance and shooting and killing someone.
What exactly is the point you are trying to make? My point is that it is ridiculous that a government which just shot and killed their protesters refers to another government's acts as justification which are not even remotely comparable to shooting and killing their protesters.
I wasn't trying to make a point. I asked a question. I was trying to find out if they'd accused the German govt. of shooting and killing green protesters. That's why I asked. I guess that if there is a point to be found in all of it, it's that you overstated something to try and make a point.
Not really. The Egyptian TV was trying to make an equivocation to justify Egypt's actions through the association with the behavior of western democracies. But, in doing so, they gloss over an important difference between their crackdown and ours -- the use of lethal force. Egyptian TV was implicitly saying that the use of lethal force isn't important as a differentiator. But, it is. So, their equivocation is BS and should be rejected.
That's what I was trying to ascertain to begin with... if they ever actually said that Germany shot and killed a green protester. I agree that unless that happened there isn't really an equivalence. But if they never made that claim and it never happened it only weakens their comparison. But if they never made the claim that the German govt. killed a protester then I don't even see how they're making the claim that it's the same.
I guess I'm just agog that you'd bother to ask that as a serious question. Without doing any research, I would say, of course they didn't saying anything about Germany shooting green protesters. Doing so would only serve to highlight the fundamental difference between how the West handled civilian unrest and how they did it, and paint them in a very bad light in the comparison. My subsequent cursory research didn't turn up anything different than the 'firm stance' language.
I'm just agog that you'd be taken back at me asking a question. I did do some research, and never saw anything about them making a claim that Germans had shot someone. So when ATW posted that, and knowing that I'm far from perfect, and often a sloppy reader on the bbs I wanted to ask to make sure I hadn't missed anything. I wasn't trying to attack anyone, or make an issue at all. I merely wanted to see if there was something I missed. I have no idea why that's a big deal to you or ATW. I thought the idea that the crack down in which demonstrators were shot and those that happened in Germany and the US were so pretty different, so it was hard for me to even grasp that they'd be trying to compare them.
I don't get it. Are you saying I face palmed the Egyptian govt.? Since I wasn't trying to make a point, and the most severe criticism I made was against the Egyptian govt. and their lame comparison, I'm not sure where the face palm came in with anyone on this board.
I guess we just disagree. Here's a recap - You got on edge because I asked a question to clarify a statement you made but which I hadn't read that the Egyptians actually said when I was doing reading about the situation. - You thought I was trying to make a point. -After realizing that the statement was less than the one you repeated, I remarked that I wasn't making a point, but if you wanted a point it was that you hyped up the statement the Egyptians made. -Juan Valdez said he believed that the Egyptians were comparing on equal ground their reaction and the reaction in Germany to the Green Protesters so that it made sense to elevate their statement the way you elevated it. -I responded that the comparison was so ridiculous that I couldn't believe they were trying to make them equivalent at all, and that since I hadn't read the exaggeration you made that it didn't even make sense for Egypt to try and compare the two reactions. ------------ notice that initially I wasn't saying you were wrong, and just wanted to clarify if anyone ever really made the statement you reacted to. Juan Valdez merely said that he believed it made sense for you to make the exaggeration you did ------------- -I responded about how ridiculous the Egyptian govts. comparison was -You inserted the silly face palm graphic. The only one who saw anything in the exchange as one poster vs. another poster was you. Possibly Juan Valdez did, I don't know. In either case I can't understand why. But if I'm not arguing against any other poster then the face palm doesn't even really apply. Better luck next time. Since you seem to have a problem understanding when someone is or isn't directly confronting you in this thread, I'll let you know that now I'm directly confronting you in regards to your silly use of the face palm in a situation where it makes no sense.
Lol, why are we still talking about this? FB, you're first post on this subject ("Did the Egyptian anchor or the tweet accuse the German govt. of shooting and killing a green protester?") sounded like a challenge to ATW's criticism of Egyptian State Television's fallacious equivocation. I now suppose you hadn't meant it that way, but the internet being what it is, the tone of your question was misinterpreted. Can we now move on?
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/24/w...aleh-transfer-power-deal-saudi-arabia.html?hp Yemen's president is stepping down via a deal with opposition leaders. Looks like he'll get immunity from prosecution and hang out at Saudi Arabia. Seems he's taking the deal offered to but refused by Gaddafi and Mubarak. Perhaps these authoritarians are getting more realistic about their options.
