You should be ashamed of yourself. Calling me a "Mubarak thug" - you are totally classless. What I posted is actually happening: A leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, the largest organized opposition group, has called for war with Israel; and the Muslim Brotherhood is spreading rumors about Israel and the USA and generally foreigners being responsible for the looting and the unrest, which has led to foreigners being chased by Egyptians. I have seen several live interviews with German exchange students being in Cairo right now to whom this has happened.
Difference being that there is plenty of evidence that he is not. What evidence do you have regarding who exactly is riding into demonstrations in Cairo on camels? Right...yet, you act like you are absolutely sure. When questioned, you become defensive.
What have you seen interviews of that there is proof of? Do you have proof that the Muslim Brotherhood has called for war with Israel and foreigners being responsible for looting? Do you have proof that German exchange students were chased by Egyptians? Do you have proof that the rumors from the Muslim Brotherhood were heard by the Egyptians who did the chasing, and those rumors were the motivation behind the Egyptians chasing the German foreign exchange students? I believe you have proof of the first two things I posted or at least the second one for sure. I doubt you have proof that rumors from the Muslim brotherhood was the motivating factor that caused the Egyptians to chase the German students.
As has been explained by myself and everyone else, the fact that it absolutely makes no sense (to anyone other than yourself and Mubarak, it seems) for them to engage in some sort of clumsy attempt to "frame" Mubarak when the protest was gaining numbers and Mubarak was already losing support both among Egyptians and from abroad (notably the U.S.) already. They would have been better off just let the events play out and try to gain power in the coming elections. This is friggin Glenn Beck conspiracy theory territory.
How do you know that the people riding in on camels were not coming in on camels to fight the pro-Mubarak people? You keep talking about "framing". I watched the scenes with the camels and it was absolutely indistinguishable who was actually fighting whom (nobody was wearing uniforms) and the commentators on TV (I don't remember if I was watching CNN or German news) said the same thing. I also saw a lynching scene, and it was totally unclear if pro-Mubarak people were lynching protesters or vice versa.
So your theory is that the Muslim Brotherhood has taken over state run TV to spread these rumors? http://cpj.org/2011/02/mubarak-intensifies-press-attacks-with-assaults-de.php
First one: News reports Second one: I saw the interviews with the terrified German students (who were being defended by other Egyptians, which is how they got out). Third one: The German students got together in a bigger group (they were being chased when they were alone, respectively) and went back out of their dorm to the Egyptians who were defending them and jointly with them argued with the attackers who were still besieging the dorm. There was a big argument during which the attackers explained to the other Egyptians why they were chasing the foreigners. What kind of "proof" do you expect? A notarized document? Who do you think is most likely to blame Israel, the USA and generally foreigners? The regular, educated, moderate middle class protester? Or the ones who generally blame Israel, the USA and generally foreigners?
No. I read these reports as well. I do not think that only the Muslim Brotherhood spreads these rumors and blames the USA/Israel etc. It is well-known that it is sort of a regular occurrence that people in Egypt, including members of the government, do this - see: Governor of Sinai blaming Israel for the sharks. But the Muslim Brotherhood certainly has an interest in this as well - and they (or one of their leaders) are the only ones who have already openly called for war with Israel.
Actually I saw on both CNN and MSNBC that the people on Camels and Horses arrived with the people carrying Mubarak banners, and they were definitely Mubarak supporters shouting pro Mubarak slogans as they charged the crowd initiating violence. Here's an article that backs it up. http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/02/us-egypt-protest-idUSTRE7114KH20110202 Here's another http://www.wpix.com/news/sns-rt-news-us-egypt-protest-trib-20110202,0,5516591.story?track=rss Googling Mubarak supporters on camel and horseback provides numerous accounts of it.
What I expect is for you not to give the motivation in the minds of the Egyptians who were doing the chasing and claiming to know that it stemmed from the rumors being spread by the Muslim Brotherhood. We know that the folks who were attacking foreign journalists were Mubarak supporters and had nothing to do with the Muslim brotherhood. I have no idea about the crowds that chased the German students, but to try and say you were in the mind of the Egyptian chasers and that they were motivated or even heard the rumors that came from the Muslim brotherhood is a huge stretch if not a pure fabrication.
Because, according to every report, from CNN to Al Jazeera, the people on camels were beating up the anti-Mubarak people? Because no camels showed up until yesterday, when the pro-Mubarak people showed up in numbers to pick fights? Just because you or random reporter you can't remember couldn't distinguish the sides (they all look like Arabs, God damn it, how do you tell one of them Kevin-Martin looking dudes from another!) doesn't mean nobody could. In fact, every report I came across did. Find one report where the camel riders were identified as anti-Mubarak protesters. Here are some where the camel riders were identified as pro-Mubarak. In fact, a couple of those links quoted the Prime Minister of Egypt and Egypt state television as identifying the camel riders as being against the anti-Mubarak demonstrations (though they say these are people who gave camel riders to tourists who were upset the anti-Mubarak folks were driving away tourists). http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2011-02-03-egyptinside03_ST_N.htm?csp=34news http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...rak_tells_abc_news_hed_step_down_but_fea.html http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=41556 http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2011/02/egypt-internet-back-up-as-protests-turn-violent-in-cairo/ http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/02/02/egypt.pro.mubarak/ Find one report where the camel riders were identified as anti-Mubarak protesters.
No, they would never do such a thing. http://www.nationalpost.com/news/world/Muslims+protect+churches/4078614/story.html Read more: http://www.nationalpost.com/news/world/Muslims+protect+churches/4078614/story.html#ixzz1CwMv7DJG
If the Egyptians explained to the other Egyptians that they were doing the chasing because the Muslim Brotherhood told them it was these foreigners who were doing the looting, and that's what caused to them to chase the Germans please provide me a link to the videos and I'll get my friend, or my friend's mother to translate it to me.
Most reports indeed describe the camel riders as pro-Mubarak people. Mubarak's side (state television channel) says they were "pyramid workers who were fed up with the protests as they damage the economy", but that does not sound plausible at all. So why did you not just post what you just posted in response to my initial question, rather than all that drivel?
There have been numerous reports of muslims doing this (and also offering it, e.g. in the Netherlands, to protect the Copts) which was great.
And the only people who are casting blames for instability on "foreign elements" have been the Mubarak government, here's a link to one such report: http://www.politico.com/blogs/laura...eign_interference_amid_crackdown.html?showall Here's another, specifically stating that Egypt state TV was talking about "Israeli spies" inciting anti-Mubarak demonstration and reporters being attacked by gangs yelling "yehudi (Jews)"): http://www.theatlantic.com/internat...friends-like-mubarak-who-needs-enemies/70728/ There are no reports about how anti-regime protesters or the Muslim Brotherhood blaming foreigners for instability. There was also no one beating up Anderson Cooper and arresting journalists until the pro-regime thugs showed up. Given the above, if some foreigner is being chased, I find it reasonable to believe that the anti-foreign feeling was likely incited by the pro-regime elements with their conspiracy theory.
Because you were saying it's legitimate to suspect whether the Muslim Brotherhood was behind the camel riders. Not even the regime itself is asking that question.
