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Lenovo stats yield interesting results for our Rockets

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ClutchCityReturns, Nov 9, 2006.

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  1. DaDakota

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    Anyone else find it odd, that a Chinese stat company has the ROCKETS as the best 5?

    I mean, it sure looks fishy !!

    DD
     
  2. YallMean

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    Bulls blew out heat with even bigger margin. other teams had won by 20+ margin too. This thing tells something at least.
     
  3. JeopardE

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    No, from my point of view they're pretty spot-on.

    Hayes has been terrific as a starting power forward. He's always in the right place, grabbing rebounds, cutting and making layups, playing excellent post defense. The chemistry between him and T-Mac/Rafer has been fairly amazing. In any given game you'll see at least two brilliant backdoor passes from T-Mac to Chuck Hayes that make you go "wow". He came into this season known as a great +/- player. Battier came into this season known as a great +/- player. Rafer has been our offensive court general -- we're running so many new offensive sets and without him on the floor the offense just doesn't seem to get in rhythm. When you add those three to the T-Mac/Yao combination, you get statistical dominance.

    You can't discount the shellacking we handed to Dallas. That was a good opponent and we took it to them. I really believe we *are* that good, and with time this team will firmly establish itself as one of the most dominant teams in the league.
     
  4. qrui

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    being a rocket must add +10 pts on you. :D

    now talking about the individual +/-... too bad hayes only play half of the game. cuz he's sitting on the bench the other half... fouled out! j/k :D
     
  5. Doctor Robert

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    The Dallas game is seriously throwing these stats off right now. Wait a couple weeks, and we should have a better idea of where we really stand in this department. We should 4-0 according to this.
     
  6. liu1107

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    dude look at last year's stats.... Pistons dominated and Roxs are at bottom..
     
  7. JeopardE

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    Why? What's wrong with the Dallas game? It doesn't count because it's a blowout? Last I checked, the Mavericks *are* the defending western conference champions. They had no injury problems. We played them fair and square in an NBA game and dominated. T-Mac even sucked. What's wrong with that win? Because it wasn't a close game?

    This is nonsense. The Dallas game counts, and there's absolutely no reason why it shouldn't.
     
  8. ucansee2020

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    That's not what he meant. We need to realize that these data are based on only 4-5 games and one of which was such a blow-out that the numbers are definitely going to look good because of that game. We need to wait for at least another 10-20 games to draw any valid conclusions.
     
  9. Hayesfan

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    If Chuck was 4 inches taller he would have probably been chosen somewhere in the second round of the draft and never made it to the Rockets.. But I feel your pain.. I have often wished to put him on a stretcher ;)
     
  10. wingz0

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    It's called sample size in research terms. It's only been 5 games, and that's much too small a sample size to get an accurate projection, especially for +/- stats, cause like what many of you said, one blowout win or loss, and the stats get skewed greatly.

    Wait till we're at the 20/30 game mark, and then let's see how our starting 5 fares +/- wise.

    But that aside, I really like the lineup of Alston-Tmac-Battier-Hayes-Yao too. It gives us a good mix of team guys and stars. Alston doesn't have to create much offense with this lineup, just set the table, and let Tmac be the playmaker, then go into the corner and wait for the open shot. Battier will do his thing, Yao will post-up and give us the inside game, and Chuck will find seams where he can cut to the basket, and Tmac/Rafer have the vision and passing skills to make sure he gets the ball when the opportunity is there.

    That's a very good fitting 5 we have there. Now if JVG will realise it and stick with it, I think we'll be a very good team.
     
  11. hashmander

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    nah, a definite first rounder if he was 4" taller.
     
  12. weslinder

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    Better than Joakim Noah if he were 6" taller.
     
  13. JeopardE

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    Alston is much more important to the offense than people around here give him credit for. He may not be creating a lot of shots, but he's still the floor leader out there. He gets people into position and sets up plays. He knows JVG's playbook better than anyone we've got. He's not merely bringing the ball up and dumping it off to T-Mac like most assume.
     
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    Damn we own. I looked at this before and like the Suns were 1st, didn't think we would come anywhere close to the top.
     
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    Yeah, that's what I'm referring to. I do not think blowouts should be considered the "exception to the rule". We've gotten accustomed to being on the wrong end of the box score -- the extended effect of what became a losing culture last season, so the natural inclination is to think "that game was a blowout, blowouts are a rare occurrence so we have to consider the stats skewed". We're no longer familiar with what a winning culture means. If we are to hang with the elite teams in the conference, blowout wins should become a regular occurrence -- at least one every two weeks. And based on what I've seen from this team so far, I see no reason why this shouldn't be the case.

    Case in point -- last night. If not for Redd and Bell going nuts in the 4th, that would have (and should have) been another blowout. We got to see a glimpse of just how devastating this offense can be when T-Mac and Yao are both on their game in the 3rd. And we can only get better from here on out.
     
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    Edit: Nevermind...
     
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    not sure if this was mentioned but, wow...lol we got like 6 of the top 8 spots for 2 player combination :D

    but...tmac and yao were not there together at the same time!!!! :mad:

    third of all i hate to say it..i dont think this thing cant mean that much..srry, i mean how did chuck hayes and rafer get 1st in 2 player combination???lol :confused:
     
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    Remember the Bulls destroyed Miami in the season opener, but I don't see any of there starters....
     
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    So, is Lil Chuckie really that good and making the others better........or is he benefitting from being the 5th starter playing with 111 and Bat?
     
  20. JeopardE

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    That's mostly because T-Mac's offensive game has been slow to come around. Until the 3rd quarter of last night's game, we really had not yet seen any viable offensive chemistry between the two. Expect that to change as time goes on, T-Mac gets better and we see more quarters like that.

    It's simple. Alston is right now our most valuable offensive player because of his leadership on the floor. That's why his +/- stats on the team are so high. This is easily explainable: JVG has a new offensive playbook with lots of new sets that everyone is still trying to get familiar with. Without our true point guard out there handling the rock and setting up plays/directing people to their spots on the floor, we're often out of sync. It's not so much that Rafer is a world-class point guard, it's more of the fact that he *is* our only true point and he is demonstrating that value.

    I don't think I need to rehash all the reasons why Chuck Hayes is up there -- his rebounding, high IQ plays, defense etc. etc. Put those two together and you get what you see. We're starting to see very good chemistry among our starters, and it's only going to get better from here on out.
     

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