Man, CB and Bats having a serious mind meld up in here. I, like Lynus, don't get the lack of feeling vibe you guys get from Zep. Their songs are emotion, just a different kind than the Who. Again, subjective so I have always found the Who cold and, again, boring. Actually I like Magic Bus, ha, but their big stuff I hate so much that I have a vendetta, I don't get calling Zep pompous when pretty much all big rock bands deal in pomposity in their lyrics. I mean the Who tried to define/create "their" generation, wrote a "rock opera" about a deaf dumb blind pinball kid, etc etc. It can be done with any badn. At the end of the day they are almost always dumb dropout kids who sucked at life other than rocking awesome! But regardless of the Who or Zep I think this thread can allow us all to agree that fatty has skipped the light fandango and is a totally wicked stoogeburger who is not there...forrealz. Thy sins and hairs may no man equal call ; For, as thy sins increase, thy hairs do fall. booyah!
OK. Although I do like Armani's outfits, I still have to give the nod to Christian Dior. Much cleaner lines and a better fit, in my opinion. Versace comes in third.
Tell you what, anyone on the fence about either of these groups should really watch The Kids Are Alright from The Who and The Song Remains the Same from Led Zeppelin. Really allowed me a greater appreciation of both- very good films. Also Gimme Shelter from the Stones and Hard Day's Night from the Beatles. If anyone ever has the chance to watch Gimme Shelter, in particular, like rent it on Netflix, do so. It's a very intense documentary of the Altamont concert- I mean, you see the actual stabbing incident on film at the end, and it's almost an uncomfortable viewing experience throughout, but fascinating nonetheless.
I too am angry about others' preferences in music. Instead of using the established objective criteria by which bands should be ranked, it seems as though some of you are simply voting for the band that made music you like the best. And that's fine, but just understand that is only your opinion, and has nothing to do with what those of us "in the know" use for any kind of serious band-ranking.
I know both their catalogs inside and out and I guess I am just bored with both at this point. The Who wrote songs that were more meaningful to me, but Zeppelin were more musically diverse. The Who have whored themselves out so much over the last 30 years that they have been diminished where Zeppelin has protected their legacy better. So, I guess Led Zeppelin gets my vote.
Again, in this poll, I'm solidly Who, but I have all the Led Zep albums and a huge number of tracks on my iPod (though not as many as The Who). Led Zep rocks, no doubt. However, one thing that always irked me a bit about Led Zep was the live shows. Yes, I get that Bonham is a fabulous drummer, but do I need 10-20 minutes of a drum solo pounded into me so that he can demonstrate his virtuosity? Here's Moby Dick, which is a damn good song when the whole band is playing: <object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/JLH0dYb2Yjw?fs=1&hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/JLH0dYb2Yjw?fs=1&hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object> Sure, the drumming's cool, but it's hard to rock out to and at times he sounds like Buddy Rich used to when he appeared on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson. But hey, got to give the guy his time in the spotlight to show what a great drummer he is. See how well Bonham plays with sticks. See how well Bonham plays with his hands! For comparison, here's a middle-aged Buddy Rich on the Tonight Show. I find this a much more entertaining display of skill than Bonham's, and it doesn't drag down the middle of a great song. <object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/wgaD54YcXpA?fs=1&hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/wgaD54YcXpA?fs=1&hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object> Same with Page. At times, too much guitar playing just for the sake of playing the guitar. Here's an example: <object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/_bc9m7nbMC4?fs=1&hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/_bc9m7nbMC4?fs=1&hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object> Yes, it's damn good guitar playing and under the right conditions, I could get into it a bit, but on another level, it's boring and adds nothing to the song (Dazed and Confused). This is 8 minutes of Page essentially saying, "Hey look, I'm Jimmy Page and I can play the guitar really well." (The most entertaining part is the security guys tackling some guy at about the 5 minute mark.) The Who rarely had extended solos because their solos came within the flow of the song and were either short accents like the bass line in My Generation or part of an anticipatory prelude to something dramatic like Moon's solo on Won't Get Fooled Again. Here's The Punk and the Godfather, which is essentially a series of drum, guitar, and bass solos answering each other within the context of the song: <object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/ZHtVaSmK38s?fs=1&hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/ZHtVaSmK38s?fs=1&hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object> I'd rather listen to this.
Zeppelin is the polar opposite of pompous. They are FAR too protective of their catalog to be considered so. It was big news for those in the know when they allowed GM to use Rock & Roll in their Cadillac commercials exactly because they are so protective of their work. This fact is not a hallmark of pomposity. Personally, I'd love to hear Moon go off a'la Moby Dick. Or hear Entwistle do the same on bass. They were both beyond awesome.
my favorite jimmy page song. it's about longing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rb6pJlrS9DA&sns=em my favorite pete townshend song. it's about regret. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6tKXtqZG04&sns=em ps. fatty is about awesome!/
fatty, how many more times are we going to have to go through this? i know you think its nobodys fault but mannys, but there has obviously been some sort of communication breakdown here. cant you guys just be friends? we all have good times and bad times on clutch fans and i think right now you are having the later. perhaps its time for you to ramble on before clutch has you swinging from the gallows pole.
thanks for sharing - sick drumming there! when i was a teenager i was sure bonham was the greatest drummer ever...then i got into jazz and i discovered at least 10 drummers who could run circles around him. still love bonham and he is one of my biggest drumming influences, but i dont think he is the greatest. and ill take ginger bakers 'toad' over moby dick.
This has it right. We can look at it a lot of different ways. The Who were first, so they win on originality. The Who also had huge range in their songs, and song writing. They evolved and grew overtime. Led Zeppelin had a range of about A-C While the Who were A-Z. Given both of the things I listed above The Who were more creative. The innovated more. They were among the leaders of a movement (The Mods). They innovated the Rock Opera, they Rocked plenty, but had other directions as well. The Who also inspired and along with the Kinks were the precursors to Punk. While Zeppelin inspired a lot of good musicians, they never inspired a whole movement because their music from the get go was pretty much derived from Blues, and that kind of thing. They branched out a little here and there, but never enough to inspire whole movements. Looking at Zeppelin's catalog there are a lot of good songs in there, but also a lot of boring self-indulgent stuff that gets old quickly. The Who are far and away the better overall band. Of course my main criteria for judging any band is usually creativity, and originality.
LOL, I was the exact same way as a youngster - except instead of Bohham it was Neil Peart for me. Kind of funny that, 20 years later, I'm back to really admiring him almost as much as I did in high school. I've been on a real Rush kick for the last few years. I love Bonham too, but not because of his solos. Frankly, I think the Moby Dick solo is kind of boring. As far as rock solos go, I'll take Neil's YYZ solo on Exit Stage Left any day of the week and twice on Sunday's. On the other hand, I could listen to Bonham's Kashmir groove all day long and never get tired of it. Same for When the Levee Breaks. I like listening to drummers lay down rock-solid grooves more so than flashy solos. Incidentally, when I was in college, we played a percussion ensemble piece based on John Bonham. It was called, interestingly enough.....Bonham. Here's a video of some other guys doing it (the drummer isn't nearly as good as me ). <object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/EP-zNV12FLo?fs=1&hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/EP-zNV12FLo?fs=1&hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>
Lets not forget that a lot of The Who stuff from the late '60', Live at Leeds, lays the ground work for Thrash Metal. As I said earlier it seems like those who think The Who isn't as diverse have Zeppelin haven't heard much of The Who.
Actually Pearl Jam by their own admission are imitators of The Who. <iframe title="YouTube video player" class="youtube-player" type="text/html" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/BOHlG31Oqfc" frameborder="0"></iframe> and just because the Irish Punk take on The Who <iframe title="YouTube video player" class="youtube-player" type="text/html" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/1DkZUQpUjLo" frameborder="0"></iframe>
