Me too- this is just things I've read from posters on other forums (mostly Amazon). South Bound and the Stomp, in particular, are two of my all-time faves. The Lemon has a great bass line- and Hats...well, that is kinda weird.
It's getting pretty tired having you call me a troll every time I post. You are the only person here that thinks I am one - if indeed you even truly think it, which I doubt. Being a troll on this site (and apparently the Houston Press too) is your third best talent; butchering the English language and generally making a fool of yourself are the only things you're better at. Seriously, it's like one month since your un-banning and you've gone to war with like five people in the damn hangout. You need help. Or maybe just another banning. Also, Who rules, Zep drools.
2) Thanks 1) Exactly my point. If you are going to be an elite band, in the best of all time, you need to have a point to your body of work, and lyrics should absolutely count. Its like saying The Fast and The Furious in the greatest movie ever. Its flashy, its got zero substance. That is my point - the 'substance' of zeppelin - and someone sumed it up earlier, about Dark V. Light, whatever - i think is a colossal fail. It does not amount to anything to take with you. Its babble. Its pretentious, it adds no value to Page and Bonham. It detracts. Massively. Its eighth grade emo quasi-poetic noodling is a D&D geek's diary. That they are sung so stuidly does not help. Robert Plant sounds like Rod Stewart at a Karaoke bar after he has imbibed one too many members of the Black Crowes. Screaming / not screaming does not count as 'range.' His pseudo-serious affect, used to deflect merited criticism or his preposterous lack of versatility or personality, is tedious enough to inspire Spinal Tap. Its bombast. They created punk merely by existing. Someone mentioned about "singing about Lord of The Rings as if its a bad thing..." and thats pretty much an irreconcilable difference. I really really feel like it is a hilariously dorky thing to do. Like, very few things make me laugh harder than Led Zeppelin trying to be serious. The Eagles trying to be serious is also very very hilarious. But what's next, they're going to sing about Thomas the Fricking Tank Engine? Singing about Mordor? LOLZ. They do not have tremendous stylistic range, thats a myth. Fool in the Rain, Stairway, Black Dog, Going to California are sonically sort of different, but they are still played with the same heavy syncopation lick-based thing that all their songs have, and Robert Plant ends up doing his screaming whining thing on all of them. As an aside, very very few good rock bands have 'range' - The Who did somewhat. They evolved at least. But I dont think thats a criteria. Elvis had no range. Chuck Berry had no range. Stones have none. The only band on that level with range is the Beatles (side two of the White Album has more range the Zeppelins body of work...), but its not really a qualifier for best of all time. What did they invent, and was it something that was useful? Did they do something that transcended the form as it was before them? Does their music hold up? Can imitators do it just as well? The Who wins on those criteria. Zep is fools gold. The greatest "Overrated Overhyped Elite Band" of the rock era. In that way, yes, they were pioneers.
what did the who invent? or that was useful? what did the who do that transformed form? Zeps music holds up. You are crazy! Imitators of zep like pearl jam seem to do pretty well? The who ? Who ? you've gone yahoo for coco puffs.. yahoo seriously. I listened to that era as much as 90% of the pollsters here and we are all saying the same thing. being a fan of chucky brown when the other chucky was saying 'who?'... yeah that was contrarian too .. I get it. Yeah that's all that zep is known for you are right. Dont let more songs , that are better, world opinion etc get in your way. while were at it, yeah I know rosie was really a negro prison song. Let's talk about how led ripped off others and didn't invent the guitar either. my gawd. my short list would also include floyd and beatles for the purposes of being so damn unconventional.
It is virtually impossible to meaningfully quantify the value of art or music, but CBFC comes damn close. And, to IBTL, loving players like Chucky Brown isn't being contrarian; it's a matter of appreciating players who played way above their talent through sheer heart and grit. Is it contrarian if I say Chuck Hayes is one of my favorite Rockets? Or is it just that I love role players that play their asses off better than stars that coast? I agree completely with everything CBFC (and rimocker) has said in this thread. I've never been able to put my finger on why my appreciation of LZ is largely intellectual and hardly a felt thing. But he did it for me. Pete Townshend wasn't the baddest guitar player of all time but he brought his heart and soul to the party and, because of that, when I hear them they touch mine as well. LZ just makes me want to drive fast, get wasted and throw rocks at stuff.
Also, I love it when dandoritik posts about music, but especially when he posts about The Who. I share his love for Who By Numbers (my fave of theirs). I also love the hell out of Pete's solo records, his Scoop/Another Scoop boot collections and Rough Mix, his collaboration with Ronnie Lane.
Yeah, I'm older than you, rhester, but you got to experience it. While what you remember might be limited ;-)-, just know that it was a really groovy scene at the time. Didn't last terribly long, and yes, there were negatives to go along with the pluses (damn, a lot of Bandits liked to hangout down there, the ones with bikes), but the creativity of the music and many of the people there and elsewhere in Houston in the '60's was cutting edge, especially the music. Psychedelic rock, for example, was pioneered in Texas by bands like the 13th Floor Elevators, who went to the West Coast and blew everyone away. I've seen posters with the Elevators billed over the Grateful Dead at the Avalon Ballroom in San Francisco, circa 1966.
Speaking of Who By Numbers, listen to a song like How Many Friends and try to imagine LZ writing such a song. It's inconceivable because, apart from rocking really hard, there were no actual feelings in their songs. They dominated but they didn't ever expose themselves (emotionally at least). Their poetry had no heart. So, while I could do a bunch of acid and freak out over their licks, it never really meant anything to me. The Who were all "can you see the real me..." LZ were all "been a long time since I rock and rolled." Also, going back to the weird efforts to quantify the individual players like you would the guys on a sports team, The Who wins hands down on the rhythm section. Over anybody. Moon and Entwistle were on a whole other planet.
Are you honestly trying to pretend that your post above wasn't a troll post? You even admitted to being one last year. If you've changed I certainly haven't seen it. You're like that petulant child that goes in and sucker kicks someone just to say they did it. And I love how you go to the Manny card and simply start throwing in random crap from the past decade I've been here. Stick to the topic, at the very least. I come here to have fun, and some of y'all have truly gone off the deep end with taking this a lil too seriously.
No, I didn't. I admitted to not arguing seriously with you because I didn't think it was possible to take you seriously. I apologized for calling you stupid so many times by the way (although each of those slaps was predicated by you actually acting stupid) - I even got a wow-eyes by my old foe and stalker SJC - and you just came back with another angry rant. You don't come here "to have fun" anymore, you come here to freak the **** out. Maybe a lot of that's my fault and I sincerely apologize again for driving you off the deep end. But that is where you are. Running through the world like an open razor and hollering like a lunatic who rolled his car into a ditch at anyone who passes by. It's just sad these days. I'd rather talk about music.
Lol. Maybe to you. I just see you as an angry irritable old man who's lost any ability at a sense of humor. Too bad, also. You used to be interesting to talk to. Now you're an insult-spewing troll. Congrats, I guess?
Dude. Project much? Count the insults I've posted here (toward anyone) over the last 8 months (right around the time I quit drinking btw - you should try it!) and they won't add up to the number you've posted in this thread today. Not even close.
I get it CBFC was posting from west virgina inside the depths of a 500 foot coal mine. For the un consequential record that is clutch city bbs, I am and was a fan of the steel worker miner that was chucky brown. and hayes is one of my faves. Perhaps it goes to back to fattys point that there are a lot of contrarian attention w**** types around here. Not to say that all of us aren't attention whores on some level musing our useless posts. a lot of 'I am so damn different' around here and it's just a little corny frankly. my 2 internets cents...which is a few million zimbabwean pesos below a street conversation or a morning spat at speakers corner. /the rain song is a slower paced zep song that dammit I am so different I think you should listen to it!! after you put down the training wheels of black dog stairway to heavenvetc lesson 2 includes what is and what should never be along with nobodys fault but mine and since ive been loving you. that's not even scratching the surface that is the kashmir, no quarter ,going to california etc etc. See how different I am because I am naming all the neat songs that are ridiculous but are still led zep to further my coolness? yup I am the top dawg. As your best buddy, the obnoxious one here often said: CASE CLOSED :grin:
Re: Zeppelin having no feeling: you've GOT to be kidding me....but again, it's subjective. Personally, I have an emotional connection to Zeppelin, and I feel feeling in their songs. Not that I don't with The Who. Far from it. And I'll readily admit that The Who was usually more contemporary with their subject matter and that Zeppelin was usually more mystical. To each his own. Personally, I'll take mystical over reality any day.
Mine's a tale that can't be told, my freedom I hold dear. How years ago in days of old, when magic filled the air. T'was in the darkest depths of Mordor, I met a girl so fair. But Gollum, and the evil one crept up and slipped away with her, her, her....yeah. /thread
Batman and CBFC (again) with some great arguments for why The Who should be getting more love. That is exactly the stuff I enjoy reading and great value that is being added to the thread. Batman - hopefully you can graduate to being called a "dolt" or "numbnuts" or my favorite one, a "piece of trash". Question for you since I can't get a certain someone to really understand basic debating 101 here - if I am really a "piece of trash" and he continues to converse with me, doesn't that make him a "piece of trash" too or, *gasp*, something even worse? But on a serious note, I really don't care what you think about me (this is directed to you know who) - I do find your shtick hilarious but tired at times. You can film yourself jizzing in your pants, put it up on youtube, and start a thread on it and I would probably just chuckle and go on with my life. However, I do take offense to this idea that you are theorizing that music threads are a waste of time around here. Let me tell you something - music is my main hobby (duh that is obvious, right?) and I have learned more about various genres of music and artists here than I have anywhere else. So many posters over the last 10 years have helped turn me on to so many different people that I can never thank them enough. Posters like Batman Jones, Deckard, Win, mc mark, TheFreak, DCKid, Mr. Brightside, jo mama, Torn N Frayed, mikol13, dandorotik, Harrisment, Landlord Landry, Jeff, etc. - I know I am missing some but without input from these posters, I never would have known much about Van Morrison, Captain Beefheart, Bob Dylan, The Byrds, Roxy Music, Queen, The Band, Animal Collective, shoegazing artists, etc. So, I take it seriously when I am trying to learn more about music that I like and the artists I enjoy and someone like yourself comes in and does your thing. It gets me a little irritable, understand? Enough of that - I was listening to "Presence" on the way home and some of the lyrics that Plant sings are beyond ridiculous, especially on "Achilles Last Stand" - great song with incredible performances by Page and Bonham but if people would really listen to what Plant is singing, they will realize how absurd that song is. As others have mentioned, Townshend has few peers when it comes to songwriting ability.
Eh, I know this was more directed at BJ than me but I saw the little not so subtle jab there. I just commenting on this that I find it side-splitting that you are throwing out "past decade" when we are only 5 days removed from it. I'll remember that line when someone here calls me on something that I said or posted last November - my response back would be, "Quit pulling stuff from the last decade on me!" :grin:
