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LEBRON "KING OF HYPE" JAMES

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by rock4ever, May 1, 2010.

  1. Melechesh

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    Lmfao. So you think it's PJ's fault the Lakers lost the 2004 finals? Kobe surely had a amazing series against Prince. I clearly remembered Kobe ignoring Shaq who was the best player at that time and shooting tons of bricks.
     
  2. goodbug

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    On the contrary, Kobe suggested triangle when Rudy stepped down for 2nd half of 05 season, and they played it. It's injury that kept them from making 05 playoff.

    You can have the unselfish Nash, Shaq and Amare and still missed playoff with injury.

    Blame the coach, but player with higher IQ would demand better coach, LBJ just felt too good with his stats filled and couldn't see the bigger picture. A picture is worth one thousand words.

    http://lh6.ggpht.com/_YODg65nll_o/S...8/s400/news_lebron-james-check-my-stats-1.jpg


     
  3. Melechesh

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    So Nash is unselfish and LeBron is not? The Suns are not running p&r with Nash? Nash is not a high-usage player? Is that how you judge a player being selfish or not? Wow, just wow.
     
  4. durvasa

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    LeBron is also asked to do a lot more for his team than Kobe Bryant, because he doesn't play alongside all-star players. You want to fault him for that, calling him a ball-hog and claiming his basketball IQ isn't good enough for him to win in the playoffs. This is like faulting a player for being overly valuable to his team. Its an easy charge to throw at a player when they lose -- "Oh, he put up great numbers, but that's just because he didn't allow his teammates to be great. He's not a smart player." Michael Jordan received the same criticism before the cast of players around him developed into a championship-caliber unit. And so did Kobe Bryant.

    The Cavs need LeBron James to control the offense in order to beat elite defenses. Its how their team and offense has been constructed. And he is all too willing to pass the ball to teammates when the defense sags towards him. As for your claim that LeBron doesn't help his team when the ball isn't in his hands, I'll just say that you apparently see what you want to see. No one runs the floor better in transition or makes more effective backdoor cuts. And he is arguably the best defender at his position in the league.
     
  5. goodbug

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    Actually I don't care. As long as you can win the championship, you don't have to be certain style. If history repeats itself though, a player getting all the points and assists for the team is going nowhere.

    Big O averaged triple-double, MJ averaged 35-8-8 and didn't get it done.

    One thing for sure though, I don't know any great that had 2 MVP, 60 wins seasons and couldn't get in finals.

    To date, people blame Kobe for not able to carry the 40 wins Lakers over 50 wins Suns. LeBron couldn't carry his 60 wins team over underdog for 2 consecutive seasons. And that's not his fault, again?



     
  6. t_mac1

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    Durvasa ur describing Michael Jordan before pippen and Phil. Ridiculous stats in reg season and failure to win ring in playoffs.

    Lebron is too good not to win a ring. His time will come. MJ didn't win till he was 28.
     
  7. professorjay

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    Typical cop out.

    Still no answer? You make all these posts and then run away.
     
  8. Melechesh

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    Who says it's not his fault? LeBron and Mike Brown both get the blame. Kobe should never gets the blame because he is the best player to ever play the game and we must worship everything he does.
     
  9. goodbug

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    Right, Mo, Jamison, Shaq are not all star players.
    Jamison put up 20/10, Shaq 18/8 last year for crying out loud. You have to give them enough touches to be an all star.

    MJ/Kobe's team doesn't underperform in playoff. They didn't win 60 in regular season and play like 40 wins team against an underdog.


     
  10. t_mac1

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    um... Have u been hiding under a rock? Lebron is getting all the blame. And he should. We all expected him to put up 35 8 8 on 50+% and he didn't. Or at least I did.
     
  11. mgraye2969

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    why all the hate on LeBron...In the age of internet people can barely think for themselves! It is ridiculous looking at the BS opinions people are talking about...for instance--

    "LeBron is overrated"---29.7ppg 7.3rpg 8.6apg 1.6spg 50fg%---and the Cavs had the best record...For those of you who say hes overrated please read some facts and watch some games before stating some nonsense like this!
     
  12. goodbug

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    It's LeBron's fault he's not making teammates better, he doesn't seem to be compatible with any star players, that's not his fault?

     
  13. Melechesh

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    MJ under Doug Collins - ballhog, thus being selfish and stupid
    MJ under Phil Jackson - winner, Doug Collins who? I didn't follow the NBA back then so I'll just ignore you.
    Kobe - are you kidding? Born a winner.
     
  14. professorjay

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    Stop dodging my post. What's your answer?
     
  15. mgraye2969

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    The main thing LeBron needs is a coach who knows how to utilize an allstar and Lebron will never win a championship
     
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    michael jordan won a ring in 91 averaging 31 points (53%) and 8.4 assist in the playoffs.
     
  17. goodbug

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    It's so obvious Shaq/Jamison looked miserable along side of LBJ and they couldn't find minutes.

    What's so surprising?

     
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    Maybe a coach who knows how to utilize a superstar who can't shoot and wilts under pressure.
     
  19. professorjay

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    Link? YouTube video? Pulled this out of thin air? Whose fault is it that they didn't get minutes?
     
  20. durvasa

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    No, they aren't all-star caliber players.

    Shaq averaged 21 points and 10 rebounds per 36 minutes last year. The Suns' offense was worse last year running through Shaq, and he missed the playoffs.

    Shaq this season, as the oldest and heaviest player in the league, averaged 18.5 points and 10 rebounds per 36 minutes. Not much of a regression at all for a player of his age and physical shape. You want to blame that on LeBron, instead of on Shaq being a year older, out of shape, and not having the same pressure to be dominant? That doesn't fly, sorry.

    Mo Williams? No, not an all-star caliber player. He rode LeBron's coat-tails to the all-star game as (I believe) an alternate last season, because the Cavs had the best record in the East. That doesn't make him a guy you can run the offense through. He is basically Jason Terry.

    Antawn Jamison? No, not an all-star caliber player either. He's 33 years old, and even before being traded to the Cavs he had regressed compared to prior seasons.

    That's because when MJ's and Kobe's team won 60 games in the regular season, they had more well-rounded teams and a HOF coach.
     

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