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LEBRON "KING OF HYPE" JAMES

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by rock4ever, May 1, 2010.

  1. goodbug

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    You can ballhog to get 40/8 and still doesn't involve the team. It's the team assists/points, not individual assists/points number that says volume.

    Triangle vs. LeBron 1on1 plus LeBron P&R offense.

    LeBron got the numbers, Kobe got the ring.



     
  2. t_mac1

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    lebron was more unstoppable vs the magic last year. His stats and efficiency were off the charts. If u think 35 8 8 is the reason lebron couldn't beat the magic well.

    Let's be real. The lakers can afford Kobe to have C games in the playoffs and still pull out wins sometimes (watch Kobe shot 40% vs thunder and they still won)

    lebron played subpar and they get beat or blown out by the celtics. Lebron needs to bring his A game or else the cavs will lose more often than not. Kobe, well not so much.
     
  3. goodbug

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    LeBron is the ballhog, when the offense of the entire team is LeBron P&R and LeBron 1on1, of course if he doesn't play well, his team will lose. He has the highest usage in the league by a big margin.

    When Kobe's shot isn't falling, he can still shut down westbrook, run without the ball, do screen for Fisher, I don't see LeBron doing that. When he doesn't have ball in his hands, he just wanders on 3pts line.

    LeBron needs higher basketball IQ to get more by doing less.



     
  4. Luckyazn

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    Lebron will not be as good as Kobe when he's 30+

    Kobe has adjusted his game, but I dont think Lebron can
     
  5. professorjay

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    You didn't even watch the Cavs/Magic series.
     
  6. Melechesh

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    You're right about LeBron ballhogging, but that doesn't mean he's a low basketball IQ player. You can blame it on the ****ty system Cleveland runs. And you're wrong about LeBron not setting screens. He do sometimes set screens for Mo Williams in a pick & roll play. If anything Kobe is the more selfish player not LeBron. Remember what Phil Jackson said about Kobe in his book? Uncoachable. And yeah Kobe set screens for his teammates in 04-05 when PJ was not his coach, right. :rolleyes: LeBron just hasn't been fortunate enough to play under a decent coach yet.
     
  7. goodbug

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    Those PER wonders in recent history, TMac, CP3, LBJ. They all failed for the same reason, not giving up the ball enough.

    If the team is bad like TMac in Magic, it's still excusable. For good teams like LBJ have for the last 2 years. It's time to give teammates more opportunities to create themselves.

    Shaq was 18/8 last year, Jamison was 20/10. I wonder why every player became subpar in cavs.
     
  8. t_mac1

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    they really lost to the magic bc they could not defend Dwight Howard, hence double teams caused their 3pt shooters to be open. Itwas more of a defensive problem when they lost to the magic, not lebron and their offense, hence they got shaq.

    This year it was lebron's offens bc he couldn't shoot. If lebron put up his normal 35 8 8 in th playoffs with good efficiency they would have beat the celtics despite his teammates under performing.
     
  9. goodbug

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    Funny PJ's quote was used for proof, I wonder who ate crow on that, PJ or KB?

     
  10. Melechesh

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    PJ came back for the $$$$. PJ clearly never called Kobe out on not feeding Gasol & Bynum this season. :rolleyes:
     
  11. professorjay

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    Shaq played 7 less minutes this season. Jamison played 6 minutes less when he moved to Cleveland.

    Next.
     
  12. t_mac1

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    U seriously mean to tell me Kobe gives up thE ball more than lebron lol. To start the thunder series lakers struggled bc the ball didn't go inside enough. They have been more dominant bc pau has had more touches and thus opening up more space for Kobe.

    Oh ok so ur using the same argument as DD that tmac should have let rafer alston do more. And lebron should let mo will do more or Jamison or shaq. Lebron only averaged 17 or 18 shots in this past series. I thought he should shoot more since mo will and Jamison were ghosts for the most part. Eff the elbow, Jack it up.

    It's easy to pass to a gasol who shoots something lime 58% more often than not. He will be able to compensate for Kobe shooting struggles.

    Unfortunately lebron is the cavs most efficient player. Pau gasol is the lakers'.

    U should see why the lakers were so good in the reg season WITHOUT Kobe. They can play WITHOUT him. They beat th
     
  13. goodbug

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    Then give them minutes and make them perform.
    You can't give every star 20 minutes and later on blame them on not performing.

     
  14. t_mac1

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    Just FYI when Kobe was out, the lakers went somethig like 5 or 6-1 beating the spurs AND jazz (with jazz on the road) pretty darn easily.

    Just FYI
     
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    at what point does the coach receive some of the blame as well?

    if a player has the ball in his hands for a majority of the plays and the offense runs through him. at what point is it the coaches fault for not having a legit offensive system.

    when wade played under riley, wade played more off the ball like a traditional 2 guard in a great offensive system but when spoelstra came to town they started running the offense through him like a point.

    lebron at this point is only doing what the coach tells him to do.
     
  16. professorjay

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    You blamed Lebron for Shaq and Antawn's reduced stats.

    I bring up the fact that their minutes were reduced.

    So now you're saying it's Lebron's fault he didn't give Shaq and Antawn more minutes.

    You're logic is incredible. Incredibly stupid.
     
  17. t_mac1

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    They started winning when Phil told Kobe to start giving the ball inside more.

    I wonder if mike brown did the same since Jamison played too damn much.
     
  18. Melechesh

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    So you think it's their fault they don't give up the ball enough??? You think they wouldn't give up the ball because they wanted to fill the stat sheet? They had to create for his teammates because their coaches have no gameplan other than "feed LeBron/CP3/T-Mac the ball and let him make something happen." I can't believe these words are coming from a Kobe fan's mouth. Kobe drove Shaq and PJ away, simply because his demand for touches was never met in the triangle offense, only to miss the playoffs and find out he needed PJ.
     
  19. goodbug

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    PJ came back because Kobe's the best player in the league.
    And if Kobe's not coachable, how did he win the championship?

    The truth was that they lost the 2004 finals, Phil needed an excuse to cover his own ass, and Kobe became it.


     
  20. t_mac1

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    a good coach means a lot. Kobe missed th playoffs without Phil. Phil comes back and took the same team to the playoffs although they lost in the first round twice.

    Lebron needs a good coach to motivate his teammates to wake the hell up when the postseason starts.
     

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