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Lebron James passing to the corner when he gets in the paint

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by jopatmc, Apr 28, 2012.

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  1. Shaud

    Shaud Member

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    Judging by most of his arguments he isn't trolling.
     
    #61 Shaud, Apr 28, 2012
  2. Nolen

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    So, what's your opinion on Hakeem Olajuwon passing out of the paint to the corner?
     
    #62 Nolen, Apr 29, 2012
  3. plutoblue11

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    Bitter and hateful have to find something wrong with everything, especially when they aren't playing (or don't want to play) for the Rockets.
     
    #63 plutoblue11, Apr 29, 2012
  4. Yung-T

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    As I said, he's likely judging on his NBA 2k experience, where he owns with LeBron because of the 90+ dunk and finish in traffic ratings.

    jopat laughs at guys that dish it to the open shooter, because he knows a drive with LeBron will result in easy points, because many times he will start his automatic dunk animation, which also happens in real life.

    It doesn't matter if defenders are standing in the paint, LeBron just has to press the shot stick in his mind to dunk all over them, they can contest all they want but it doesn't help.

    The LeBron James drive to the basket plus using the speed trigger is the best play you can make in basketball, because it's unstoppable and like he said, this will result in a "70% success", because of LeBron's high rating.
     
    #64 Yung-T, Apr 29, 2012
  5. jopatmc

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    I have never played NBA 2K or any other bball video game. I don't play video games. But I have played hundreds of actual basketball games where you actually dribble the ball and pass and shoot and I have watched thousands of games going back to Abdul-Jabbar in his prime with the Lakers before Magic and Bird hit the league. When you have to resort to those kinds of arguments to get around what I'm saying you look all the more foolish.

    Nolen, Hakeem passing out of the post is different because he was posting up and receiving the ball with his back to the basket. That's a different play than Lebron penetrating with his dribble into the low box.

    I said this about Lebron specifically because of the era he is in and who the players in the paint are that are going to try to challenge him. Hakeem had to deal with Patrick, DRob, and others. Lebron has to deal with ...... maybe Dwight. No other big men can touch him athletically.

    Now, on occasion somebody in the paint is going to make an absolutely sensational play and block his shot or steal the ball. But those occasions are going to be extremely rare.

    Also posting up is different. When he has to hold off a defender, then receive the ball one-handed. And then as soon as he catches he is draped by 2 other defenders, then most of the time in Lebron's case, it is best to pass out to a wide open shooter, rather than attempt to put the ball on the floor and make a move against 3 defenders. That's a lot different from penetrating into the paint. And here's the thing, Lebron doesn't hardly ever post up and when he does post up, it isn't in the paint. I watched most of their games this season. If Lebron posted up more than 9 times this whole season then I'm a monkey's uncle. And everytime he posted up it was FT line extended on the side. Now, in those situations, if he turns and faces with a single defender and then starts his move and goes into the paint with the dribble, then what I'm saying holds true. He's in the paint with his dribble, on the move. I'm talking about the play Lebron makes hundreds of times, penetrating with the dribble into the paint. When he passes out of those situations, it is totally stupid.

    Lebron with the active dribble on the move is devastating. He's too good. He can split an approaching double. He can see the defender setting up for the offensive foul. And any defenders moving with him, he can dominate physically.

    I watched a play yesterday that summed it up. Somewhere there in the 3rd quarter, he penetrated the paint, the big for NY came over and stationed up to try to draw the offensive foul and whoever was defending him was hanging on his side. He flips the ball out to somebody in the corner. They hit the 3. Crowd cheers and goes nuts. Looks like a great play because it is a great play for everybody else in the league. But here he was about 4 feet from the rim. He might not have been able to get a dunk. But he could have finished. He's the greatest finisher in the game....bar none! And in that situation, he most likely would have picked up the And 1.

    The most efficient play in basketball, guys, by far, is a good FT shooter drawing fouls. Because that play ripples and reverbrates to the next plays and throughout the rest of the game and to the opponent's future aggressiveness. When you combine that play with the arguably the most devastating finisher the game has ever seen, you have something that you cannot totally measure in the stat column.

    And when you say he will alienate his teammates.....so lame. Are you kidding me? Like MJ alienated them? Putting rings on their fingers and toes?? Alienating them?? Get real chumps. That right there has to be one of the stupidest posts I've ever read.

    Lebron should have won the scoring title this season by about 5 PPG. He'd still have 6 assists per game and possibly even more because the defense would be forced to change their defensive strategy to keep him out of the paint.

    Lebron passing out of the paint is the stupidest play in the NBA.
     
    #65 jopatmc, Apr 29, 2012
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  6. ballerboy001

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    Everybody get your troll on, everybody, everybody get your troll on. :) (disregard me, but do rep if inclined).
     
    #66 ballerboy001, Apr 29, 2012
  7. dookiester

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    guys, the sheer weight and magnitude of jopatmc's basketball knowledge has caused your logic and reasoning faculties to collapse, thus preventing you from understanding his arguments.
     
    #67 dookiester, Apr 29, 2012
  8. MostLoyalFan

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    hahaha soooooo true. what a random and accurate thought.
     
    #68 MostLoyalFan, Apr 29, 2012
  9. JMAD21

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    joptmc, have you ever played basketball??

    When you have shooters that like the corner (Battier, chalmers) then thats where you are gonna kick it out to
     
    #69 JMAD21, Apr 29, 2012
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    Did people suddenly lose all their basketball knowledge in a day? Jesus what happened to the forums.
     
    #70 ashiin, Apr 29, 2012
  11. RedNation

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    jopatmc, you are one funny guy
     
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  12. MrJason

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    His logic is that everyone in the world should kick it out to the corner 3 EXCEPT LeBron because LeBron is the God of basketball and should shoot over 3 people every time he has the chance. :rolleyes:
     
    #72 MrJason, Apr 29, 2012
  13. durvasa

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    Jopatmc has a point. While the corner 3 is one of the best shots in basketball, LeBron James in the paint is an even better option.

    Miami has shot 35% on corner 3s this year with LeBron on the floor. They shot 39% last year with LeBron on the floor. (Strangely enough, their corner 3 shooting percentage has gone up dramatically with LeBron not on the floor). That's equivalent to shooting 53% and 59% from 2, respectively.

    LeBron is a devastating finisher at the rim (well over 70%, not including the free throws he often draws). Overall, when he gets to the paint I would think he'd convert at least 60% on his shots. Of course, those percentages will go down if the defense has multiple defenders to meet him at the rim. In those situation, I can understand him passing to an open teammate in the corner.

    His instinct is to find the open teammate which is great for most players. But I think whether he passes out or not should be dictated by how good a look he can get rather than how open the guy standing in the corner may happen to be.
     
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  14. Jontro

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    I played pick up today and drove in on a fast break. Drew 3 defenders in and dished it out to the corner. Dude missed by a country mile.

    joptmc might have a point.
     
    #74 Jontro, Apr 29, 2012
  15. The Rock MVP

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    Remind me never to play pick up with jopat who will surely never pass the ball if he thinks he is in the groove because it would be a "poor bball decision" :rolleyes:

    My high school coach would have pulled me immediately if I'm getting collapsed on in the paint and did not pass out to the open shooter.

    Based on your logic, Hakeem and Shaq should never have passed out to their shooters when they got collapsed on.

    There is a reason teams surround dominant centers and good penetrators with shooters.
     
    #75 The Rock MVP, Apr 29, 2012
  16. ashishduh

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    Is this serious? You think a FG attempt in the paint over 2-3 defenders is a higher % shot than an open corner 3 for some of the best corner 3 shooters in the league? lmao
     
    #76 ashishduh, Apr 29, 2012
  17. RiceRockets

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    The reason he is shooting at a high rate is because he is going for the shot when it is there and passing it out to the shooters when it isn't there.

    Cannot agree with your line of thinking at all jopatmc.
     
    #77 RiceRockets, Apr 29, 2012
  18. Pieman2005

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    how dare you pass to an open 3 point shooter lebron :mad: how dare you
     
    #78 Pieman2005, Apr 29, 2012
  19. JMAD21

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    I think your complicating it, LeBron almost always finds the open guy.

    Whether its in the corner, on the elbow, in the paint, or taking it himself.
     
    #79 JMAD21, Apr 29, 2012
  20. STR8Thugg

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    It's ridiculous to just claim it's a bad play without knowing the situation....
     
    #80 STR8Thugg, Apr 29, 2012
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