1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Lebron already better leader than T-Mac

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by binvegas, May 28, 2007.

  1. New Jack

    New Jack Member

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2000
    Messages:
    2,804
    Likes Received:
    156
    I don't think you're giving Mike Miller and Darrell Armstrong enough credit. They're both better than any perimeter player Lebron has played with.
     
  2. professorjay

    professorjay Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2006
    Messages:
    9,676
    Likes Received:
    388
    I really hope you're right. I also hope Tmac was inspired by last night's game and he takes it into the gym.
     
  3. doublehh03

    doublehh03 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2007
    Messages:
    6,189
    Likes Received:
    0
    if tmac performed in the playoffs he way he did in 04-05 or any other yr, we won that series v. the jazz in 5 or 6. it's that simple.

    the tmac we saw this yr, the 6th in MVP voting, the 2nd team all-nba is actually the worst of his career ever since he became a superstar simply b/c he was too inconsistent.

    outside of the last 2 yrs w/ his back, tmac has always put great yrs together offensively. why? b/c the last 2 yrs, he has had no offseason to train.

    dont worry rocket fans, tmac will return next yr. just be patient. give him one FULL offseason as a rocket, and he will prove why he's worth it.

    remember, tmac put 2 of his best all around performances in the playoffs this yr, 26 and 16, 29 and 13. but unfortunately, w/ his INCONSISTENCy, he also put up some stinkers.

    tmac is a very consistent player outside of this yr. why should i doubt his consistency next yr? one bad yr w/ no training is not gonna put doubt in me.
     
  4. doublehh03

    doublehh03 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2007
    Messages:
    6,189
    Likes Received:
    0
    darrell armstrong?? what he did help was his leadership. b/c he shot just as bad as rafer did. well, maybe no one can but he shot around 38-39% too.

    mike miller was his best teammate, but he was VERY one dimensional back then b/c he was only a rookie and young player. he can't create his own shot like now. and he's def. not as good as he is now.

    remember, pat garrity? tmac gave him a contract. so tmac did make players around him better back then.

    but please, even if u think mike miller is this yr's mike miller, bron's supporting cast is still 2-3x better than what he had back then.

    all u need to know is a broken down patrick ewing and a shawn kemp coming to get his child support money were on the roster. => THAT should be enough to tel lu his supporting cast. shawn kemp???
     
  5. Sextuple Double

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2006
    Messages:
    1,795
    Likes Received:
    0
  6. New Jack

    New Jack Member

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2000
    Messages:
    2,804
    Likes Received:
    156
    Have you taken a look at Larry Hughes shooting percentage?

    Darrell Armstrong during his time in Orlando was equal to, if not better than Larry Hughes during his tenure in Cleveland. Their shooting percentages and points are about the same, but the intangibles Armstrong brought were vastly superior. This was a player that darn near led an Orlando team whose second best player was Tariq Abdul-Wahad to the playoffs.

    Statistically, I’m not seeing any difference in Mike Miller’s game. He takes more 3’s now then he did back then and averaged about the same number of assists (3 per game).

    Orlando’s front line was definitely weak, but to say Lebron’s team is 2-3x better is a huge exaggeration. Pat Garrity was no worse than what Donyell Marshall has given the Cavs.
     
  7. doublehh03

    doublehh03 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2007
    Messages:
    6,189
    Likes Received:
    0
    i'm sorry, but did u just say hughes = armstrong. go get ur basketball knowledge and put it in the trash.

    hughes handles the ball; hughes creates sometimes; hughes defends their best perimeter player...

    armstrong does one thing well for orlando = provide leadership. hughes shooting may be bad, but did u see how he performed in round 1 and 2 of the playoffs? at least he can carry a load for stretches here and there. armstrongw as not counted on to do that.

    and hughes is injured right now. when he plays, he handles the ball a lot in the first 3 quarters. he creates...

    so please, u seriously needs a brain check even if u think this hughes = armstrong. please, get ur brain check.

    and ur comparing stats of miller now to back then to say they're the same player??

    so i'm gonna bring up lebron's stats in this yr's playoffs to last yr and i'm saying lebron is performing worse??

    watch the game. miller is actually a go-to guy for memphis. he actually is a good creator with good ballhandling skills now. he's not one-dimensional anymore.

    if all u do is watch rocket basketball, dont' comment on any other player. and dont judge a player by his stats.

    b/c if u judge by stats, marbury is one of the best PGs of all time.
     
  8. New Jack

    New Jack Member

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2000
    Messages:
    2,804
    Likes Received:
    156
    I think you need to calm down a little. Maybe go out and get some fresh air. Breath.

    Darrell Armstrong’s biggest strength was his ability to handle the ball and create something out of nothing. He created havoc on both sides of the court. He was extremely quick and could easily break down the defense. You don’t average 13+ points and 6-7 assists per game if you can’t create. He was the cog for that Orlando team, similar to what Sura was to the Rockets. So yes, for that 3-4 season stretch in Orlando, he was as good as Larry Hughes has been for Cleveland.
     
  9. Desert Scar

    Desert Scar Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2000
    Messages:
    8,764
    Likes Received:
    11
    Kobe settles for too many jumpers too and is a heavy burden on his team when his jumper isn't falling.

    As team leaders Lebron and Wade > Kobe and Tmac. Kobe is grouped with Tmac, not the other two, who are the best wing players in the game as far as winning. (How we all have forgotten Wade in this discussion, who averaged 30 in the finals, shot an insane % on all spots on the floor (jumpers, drives and FTs) on last years title runs, and beat much superior team everywhere else (Dallas and a better, with Ben Wallace, Detroit team). Wade last year was the closest thing to Jordan since Jordan, though if Lebron gets his team past Det and SA I'll say he trumps Wade)

    A little carried away there. Lebron may very well be the best player in the game today (but you get a reasonable argument from Duncan, Nash and a healthy Wade). I think there is a very remote chance he gets near Jordan's level. I'd say he has a decent chance of Magic/Bird top 10 level--and that is awfully darn good--but Lebron needs at least a couple rings to make that case.

    AS for HUGHES, he is a decent player but not a good fit with James is out there (which is most of the time). They are playing better with Gibson.
     
  10. Icehouse

    Icehouse Member

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2000
    Messages:
    13,654
    Likes Received:
    4,018
    Weren't the Pistons up when he got the dunk/lay-up to send it to OT?
     
  11. Icehouse

    Icehouse Member

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2000
    Messages:
    13,654
    Likes Received:
    4,018
    The greatest ever?

    I see Duncan winning title #4 this year. Shaq has 4. You see Bron getting more than 4? And I don't think Duncan or Shaq is the GOAT either.

    I'm still shocked at how undervalued Duncan is. Dude is going for his 4th title, and was two bounces away from going for his sixth...and his team isn't exactly stacked either.
     
  12. Icehouse

    Icehouse Member

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2000
    Messages:
    13,654
    Likes Received:
    4,018
    Um, T-Mac's second best player in orlando was D.Armstrong. At least Bron has a center.
     
  13. DVauthrin

    DVauthrin Member

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 1999
    Messages:
    9,623
    Likes Received:
    7,929
    I only put kobe in with lebron to illustrate they go for the throat so to speak when they get the chance. His jumper is a lot better than tracy's as well(more consistent). Of course lebron is a much better leader than both kobe/tracy.
     
  14. AXG

    AXG Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2006
    Messages:
    6,067
    Likes Received:
    927
    I'm not a fan of LeBron, but yesterday's game was impressive. Nobody else on his team could make a shot and James just willed his team to the win. Every time the Cavs needed a score, LBJ pulled through for them.

    On the other hand, I also don't know why the Pistons had Chauncey guarding him for long stretches. Tayshaun only had like three fouls going in the fourth and OT and he was guarding James well. Chauncey was way too short to contest James' shots. Still, James made some impressive shots and helped his team win.
     
  15. Subliminal012

    Subliminal012 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2003
    Messages:
    63
    Likes Received:
    0
    Overall game? When did Lebron start playing defense?
     

Share This Page