I wanted the deal done until I heard about Stack resigning back with them. Then they aren't giving up as much.
No, you're looking at this all wrong: it's great! Now, instead of giving up their entire bench and getting a good player like Kidd, they don't have Kidd and they have a bench who now thinks management thinks they're expendable. This is gonna KILL their chemistry, and the players will be chomping at the bit to play elsewhere ASAP.
What would have been great was if the deal went through, then all the other GM's started pitching a fit about Stackhosue re-signing after attempting to get him, then Stern ruling him out of Dallas.
Stackhouse may have done this on purpose.......I am sure none of them wanted to be traded. I am saddened because it would have ruined the Mavs for years.....getting a broken down over the hill Kidd and giving up a quick as a gnat PG for him... Dang.... DD
It's okay for Stack to resign. What's NOT okay (according to the league, anyway) is making a side-deal that basically eliminates other teams from competing for an unsigned player in the open market. When I heard Stackhouse's comments, I was bothered by the fact that Dallas wasn't giving up NEARLY as much as the deal first appeared on paper. Stack makes a big difference for them off the bench, and having him back swings the deals much more in Dallas' favor. I can understand the league not wanting to deal with the legal ramifications of this type of business practice.
yeah I just saw this on yahoo....this is too damn funny.............I hope we can find some way to match up with Dallas in the 1st round, because I honestly feel that might be one team that we can triumph over in a series...........................that team is a total mess now, and I'm loving it.
Too bad. I wish the trade would go thru. I'm not a believer that Jason Kidd would put them over the top. And Dallas would be getting considerably older and lose front line depth. Devin Harris' speed has been problematic for us. Diop guards Yao better than any other Maverick. Not to mention, we have owned the Nets for years.
That's exactly what I've been trying to argue. They're not giving up a bench at all, let alone "their entire bench." Diop has averaged only 11 mpg since Dampier has returned. It sucks, I know, he should be playing a lot more, but it's just not happening for whatever reason. As for Ager and George, let's just say Juwon Howard is more of a bench than those two combined (looking at games played and mpg) Stackhouse should've kept his mouth shut. But he's not lying. Of course the only reason they used him was to match the salaries. That's so obvious that even Marv Albert need not mention it. Once he's released, it's his choosing where to go. So what if other teams try to get him? It's his choice and he said he'd wait the 30 days. Again, nothing wrong with it. Didn't Stacey Augmon go through the same process here when Rockets traded Pippen? It'd be dumb to think Nets would've kept him considering they're loaded in the position. Besides, it's going to be near impossible for the league to prove this. I just can't stand Stern, that's all.
Wonder if Van Horn called up Stackhouse and offered him a little coin to do this. Now, for Dallas to do the deal, they gotta up the anty to Van Horn. And Stack doesn't have to worry about taking a buyout to get back to D.
I'm disappointed that this trade might not happen. But I think it is time the league stood up and did something about the whole trading a player buy out and resign option. The rule should have not been written for 30 days, but for the whole season. It's just a way to circumvent salary cap rules and if the league is serious about the whole equal salary back in the trade, then this loophole needs to be closed. Oh well, I still can hope that this trade goes through and Dallas loses some of their depth.
As I see it, they need Stack's salary included in the trade for the dollars to match up to allow the trade to go thru. This and the potential buyout of Stack's contract by the Nets are fine. The sticky point comes when Stack says in a pretrade interview "Don't worry. I'm not going anywhere, because NJ will buy me out & I'll sign back with Dallas." If he says he's not leaving the Mavs, then his salary can't be included in the trade and the trade falls thru. If he'd kept his mouth shut, everything would of been fine. His resigning with Dallas would raise a few eyebrows, but nothing else. Since he open his mouth though, the integraty of the trade is compromised. After the ref scandel this past year, integraty is a big issue with the NBA.
I think you are exactly right. It's not like this is the first time a team made a side deal with a player to get traded and return after the buy-out. Probably every time it happens, there was a pre-arranged deal. Which makes the "outrage" of other GMs a little comical; sure it's wrong, but they'd do the same. This is not a situation policing can fix; they need to change the rule to remove the incentive to cheat.
I agree with Little O. The waiting period for resigning with your old team should be after the NBA finals that season, not 30 days.
Dallas is dead in the water. First, George opts not to let the trade happen and then Stack publically admits the Mavs and Nets were planning to break league rules to make the trade happen. You think that locker room is going to be a fun place to be with Mr. I Don't Wanna Go to Jersey and Mr. I Just Screwed Myself and My Team hanging around. Not to mention Cuban has got to be livid about all of this. Goodbye chemistry in Dallas.
its not the issue of stack not being to be able to resign with the mavs but he cannot just say that openly because of the league rules of player tampering. i mean i am sure there are back room deals that go all the time (see joe smith, carlos boozer) most just dont get out in the open. i think the league is really upset (well the other gms) that cuban/stack may have had an agreement because it prevents them from making an offer. now it could be all moot if stack for whatever reason does sign with a different team, but if he doesnt i mean cuban could have just said we'll give you the vet minimum with a large one time signing bonus to come back here etc etc. personally i feel if a player traded to a new team just to be bought out he shouldnt be able to re-sign with his former team until the next season. trades like that just causes a lot of problems and talent being concentrated on one team. because then the deal basically becomes harris, george, diop, 2 first rounders for kidd which is still a good amount to give up but not nearly as attractive as with stack in there. but all of this makes me laugh cuz its dallas getting screwed by their own players
It was ridiculous to begin with because it was blatantly obvious that Dallas was only doing the deal with the wink-wink, handshake agreement that Stackhouse was not part of the deal. Why? Because New Jersey was buying out Stackhouse. Why would they do that? His contract is not absurd... he just signed it last year. If this was on the level, you could trade Stackhouse for a similar contract that a team is looking to unload (since you're handing out buyout money anyway) PLUS an asset. Speaking in Rockets terms: Mike James + Luther Head. You buy out James for less money and get Luther Head for free. However, that's not reality in any way because part of the reason they are getting two first round picks and $3 million in CASH is because they agreed to buyout Stackhouse so he could go back to Dallas.
Exactly. The only reason this trade was ever going to go through was if New Jersey bought out Stackhouse in the first place. If they weren't going to buy him out, then Dallas was not going to give them the TWO first round picks PLUS the cash. Honestly, I'm sure this kind of thing happens all the time....we as fans just never hear about it.
