Free ride? Do you watch the news? And don't you think it would be absolutely irresponsible not to examine -- intensively and extensively -- every candidate who would lead this country? And aren't those some astounding assumptions (appallingly divisive neo-conservative) that are not inherently true?
So you're basically saying that you are so much smarter than "most of the conservatives" because you automatically *assume* that conservatives do not research their own positions. This is just disgusting and insulting. Listen pal, you aren't any smarter because you choose to disagree with conservative opinions on many issues. We use our brains, too. To suggest that conservatives simply believe what they're told by other conservatives is just wrong. You're trying to justify your opinions by telling those who oppose them that they can't think for themselves. Give me a break.
A quick search reveals its from the National Review. Why do ReportoaModerator_Jorge and his Igor manservant/alter ego BigTexx consistently refuse to source the articles that they post? Are they ashamed to post stuff from right wing sources? You would think that an individual with as great a respect for capitalism as Tattler_Jorge would, when posting copyrighted material, at least give the owner of that material his just due and pretend to be posting within the bounds of the "fair use" exception, rather than openly trouncing on their intellectual property rights. I may have to start reporting his/their posts to moderators next time that happens.....
Gee Sam, I thought you would be better than that but I guess I was wrong. Insulting TJ and texxx makes you no better than them plus I think that is what they want you to do to them. Maybe I am crazy but I think that you could have conveyed your point about conservatives not posting sources to their articles without insults and I don't care "who started it"...the point is that you are "supposed to be better than that."
Whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm not assuming anything about conservatives. Not at all. Some of the smartest people I know are conservatives. I'm sorry you read it that way. What I was saying is that most of the "Dean is a liberal" talk comes from media "pundits" who haven't even looked at his record.
I think Dean has helped portray himself as a big liberal. Wasn't his quote from not too long ago "I represent the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party". Something to that effect right?
I agree with you 100-percent. No candidate deserves a free ride, and Dean is no exception. What I'm saying is this: when evalualuating a candidate, one should look at that person's record, not go by what other people say. Too often (myself included), we judge a political figure based on what someone else says about him or her, rather than on fact.
I could call myself Superman, but I still won't be able to jump over tall buildings. In 2000, Bush called himself a "compassionate conservative," but few would highlight compassion as a prominent trait of this administration. Dean did say he represented the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party. Wouldn't a conservative want a Republican to represent the Republican wing of the party? Dean definitely has traditionally liberal ideas on issues like abortion, environmentalism and health care, but they're in line with the mainstream Democratic Party. The Democractic Party is NOT the Republican Party. They're supposed to be different. Personally, I find it refreshing that a top Democratic candidate is actually appealing to traditional Democratic values, instead of running on Republican Lite platforms, but that's a different issue altogether. I'm not trying to start a Howard Dean Fan Club. I'm a liberal, and I probably won't even vote for him. But I get frustrated when labels are given to people that are inaccurate or intellectually dishonest.
Sam, Well, at least you didn't type a " " and that was all your post was. So, you are original, I'll give you that but that is all I'll give you. GreenVegan, Thanks, man. I have always loved "The Simpsons" and that was my favorite line by Homer. I have kept that as my sig for a good while now.
It's been my experience that is often inaccurate to paste labels on anybody because a candidate may be "liberal" on one issue and "conservative" on another. This country has been a cohesive entity because every four years we fight like bloody idiots and then find a way to compromise and move forward. In the past 20 years, however, we have found compromise more difficult and the result has been gridlock. Maybe it's because of the constant glare of media coverage that no longer allows politicos to compromise for fear they will look like they are "backing down" and therefore are not true-blue Democrats or Republicans. This gridlock is damaging to the country. We don't have enough judges because the nominations are blocked. We can't get anything done in the Texas legislature because the minority runs out of state to prevent a quorum. Both tactics have been used by both sides, but that doesn't make it right. The country and the respective states suffer. The people suffer. Only the pork barrel gets fatter because the politicians only recognize the need for self-survival. I would eliminate every handgun in the country. Does that make me a liberal? I would not allow abortion, but I would fine the medical staff ($25,000 each?) and require sterilization for both father and mother. Does that make me a Liberal Nazi? Labels are dangerous. They encourage voters to not examine the entire package of ideas and ideals the candidates bring to the forum.
Centrist compared to who.....Lenin, Trotsky, Kruschev, Marx? This guy is a died-in-the-wool leftist who supports: Sure, that's centrist......... Yeah, that's centrist....sure. What ridiculous, naive pap! Why don't we just join in a great galactic circle jerk and sing Kumbaya? Sure. That's real centrist. I bet the Islamists will respond real well to those "fundamental principles" when they kill more Americans. In other words, he is one of those idealists like Jimmy Carter, who turned us into a laughingstock during his four years of mayhem. I met the guy, he is a man of great faith and conviction, but when it comes to worldview, he needs to stay on the peanut farm back here in Georgia. Real centrist.....It was Marx who came up with the idea of a progressive income tax as the first step towards socialism. Eat the rich, they say. In the words of the great Paul Begala when asked about the rich, he replied "**** the rich!" In other words, pour more of my money down a hole without the needed reforms. Real centrism (whatever the hell that is) at work there. Ah, socialized medicine, more of Dean's "centrist message" that I fail to see as rational. They always have these cost estimates, but when something is "free," people tend to use and abuse it more often. Those liberals, always able to be so compassionate with my tax dollars. And when it doesn't work, as always, there is ttheir reply is that it "wasn't properly funded," it only needs more money! Piss more of my tax dollars at the Federal level down the hole that is education, more money goes in= less results in the form of educationed citizens ready to enter the job market or college. If that is not liberal, what is it then? All of these are pulled from his website, no less. This guy is a classic liberal, but of course, you run under that label, you have zero chance of being elected. I guess centrist is liberal code for leftist, liberal or their favorite now, progressive. If Dean seriously thinks he has a snowball's chance in hell, he needs to seek professional help. If he's a centrist, Elvis lives, Oswald acted alone, and Jim Morrison just took a vacation under an assumed name for the last thirty years.
Bama... I am assuming that when defining left, center, and right, you are excluding your definition to the accepted American version of the political scale,. and not the actual scale that the rest of the globe, particularly Europe who originated the concept use, right?
Great post, BamaSlammer. There is no doubt that Dean represents the most extreme faction of the Democratic party. His policies are truly wild and outrageous, which is why the lunatic fringe is in love with him. Dean is unelectable in a presidential election. I'm crossing my fingers that he is the Democrat who comes out of the primary.
Ha... me too. Legalized safe abortion, continuation of AA, change in bullying foreign policy, stopping the insane tax cuts, fixing Social Security/Medicare, progressive energy policy, health care for the young, and fixing inner city school systems. Damn he sounds TERRIBLE!!! And he's going to do it by taking all of bama's money apparently, he's got my vote!
So let me translate this for the layman. Timing is in support of the following Dean positions, as noted above: 1) legalized safe abortion = AKA LEGALIZED MURDER 2) continuation of AA = LEGALIZED RACISM AND CONTINUATION OF DISCRIMINATION 3) change in bullying foreign policy = CHANGE TO GETTING BULLIED AND PERCEIVED AS SOFT (aka Clinton armed forces cuts..) 4) Stopping the insane tax cuts = WE WANT MORE TAXES!! YEAH!!! HERE, GOVERNMENT, ACCEPT MY MONEY, PLEASE!!!! 5) fixing social security/medicare = What candidate wouldn't promise to "fix" it? Let's see a plan. 6) progressive energy policy = YOU WILL HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL NUTJOB IN CHARGE OF YOUR ENERGY. PREPARE TO PAY FOR $5/GALLON GAS AND $0.20/KILOWATT POWER DUE TO ENCOURAGING "GREEN ENERGY" 7) health care for the young = yes, this sounds good to me. Promise not to repeat HILLARYCARE for me, 'kay? 8) fixing inner city school systems = good idea, now tell me how to do it. Throwing $$ at them has already proven not to work (ie Dallas). This should replace AA.
